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Assuming flat cap one of KerfootJohnssonKapanen is gone eh

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I think Kapanen has the highest upside, but Kerfoot is the most valuable. You need C depth to win in this league. We have a top 4, top 2 C (Tampa, Edmonton (If Drai plays C), Pitts), but after that its pretty questionable. Kerfoot's versatility for under 4 million is too valuable to this team.

I think Kapanen is more tradable in that our highend RW depth is better, but we have also just had half a season without Johnsson and with Nylander playing both sides and Hyman I think he's the most likely to move
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31 mars 2020 à 12 h 40
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If thats their right side, they arent going far. Package Dermott, one of Johnsson/Kerfoot + Bracco/pick for defensive RHD
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31 mars 2020 à 12 h 45
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It's gonna be interesting how the owners and the NHLPA handle the new cap. Should it based on previous projections of 86m or if actual revenues from the shortened season..which means a 70m reality
You are right one of Kapanen or Johnsson is the likely player to be traded. Trouble is there are so many teams near the cap and they want to get rid of their "Johnssons". As a result Johnsson's actual trade value might be just a fifth rounder, and the Leafs will happy with it to get cap space.
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31 mars 2020 à 12 h 52
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with a Dcore like that toronto is trying to beat detroit in GA, Also if the leafs trade anyone its kerfoot, johnsson, and dermott. Kapenan has been solid and becoming a scraper just what this team needed.
31 mars 2020 à 13 h 19
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I find myself struggling to think of what will happen.
It just keeps looking worse everyday.

The moment you come up with a few scenarios, it shifts again.
I'm with @palhal that cap might even lower, so what does that mean?

How about this idea, reduced salaries by cap %.
Meaning, what is player x cap % right now?
How much will would that be cap percentage wise at lower cap?

I am saying players will agree to decreased salaries but what if something similar to player escrow established to funnel money into and sent back at later date?

Just a thought.


@onex are you gonna rip me on this?
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31 mars 2020 à 13 h 33
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I find myself struggling to think of what will happen.
It just keeps looking worse everyday.

The moment you come up with a few scenarios, it shifts again.
I'm with @palhal that cap might even lower, so what does that mean?

How about this idea, reduced salaries by cap %.
Meaning, what is player x cap % right now?
How much will would that be cap percentage wise at lower cap?

I am saying players will agree to decreased salaries but what if something similar to player escrow established to funnel money into and sent back at later date?

Just a thought.


@onex are you gonna rip me on this?


IMO if the NHL goes to a lower cap, it will mean lower salaries for everyone not just the unsigned players. Seems on CapFriendly so many think it's only the Leafs that will be major cap issues under a reduced cap.
You can be sure that the majority the NHLPA will vote for a reduction for ALL salaries. Ain't no way the majority of members who are mid to low paid players will allow their "meagre" salaries be reduced even more while top end players get to keep their current salaries. It really doesn't matter to the owner, they are going to spend to cap anyway. It will be the NHLPA who will decide who takes a salary haircut.

The reality is there just not be a regular NHL season even next year. And certainly the economic scenario is going to be pretty clear....folk won't have discretionary money available to attend games and buy merchandise.
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31 mars 2020 à 13 h 44
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IMO if the NHL goes to a lower cap, it will mean lower salaries for everyone not just the unsigned players. Seems on CapFriendly so many think it's only the Leafs that will be major cap issues under a reduced cap.
You can be sure that the majority the NHLPA will vote for a reduction for ALL salaries. Ain't no way the majority of members who are mid to low paid players will allow their "meagre" salaries be reduced even more while top end players get to keep their current salaries. It really doesn't matter to the owner, they are going to spend to cap anyway. It will be the NHLPA who will decide who takes a salary haircut.

The reality is there just not be a regular NHL season even next year. And certainly the economic scenario is going to be pretty clear....folk won't have discretionary money available to attend games and buy merchandise.


So you players signed to contracts will agree to lower salaries no problem? I'm not sure on that yet.
It's not impossible.

More likely some sort cov19 escrow recapture is done to give money back in later years once the economy recovers and a normalcy returns. Like perhaps a flat percentage if each players current salary goes into this, players signing new contracts will not be affected.
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I find myself struggling to think of what will happen.
It just keeps looking worse everyday.

The moment you come up with a few scenarios, it shifts again.
I'm with @palhal that cap might even lower, so what does that mean?

How about this idea, reduced salaries by cap %.
Meaning, what is player x cap % right now?
How much will would that be cap percentage wise at lower cap?

I am saying players will agree to decreased salaries but what if something similar to player escrow established to funnel money into and sent back at later date?

Just a thought.


@onex are you gonna rip me on this?


No actually this is quite a smart idea. Differ the salary later into the CBA? Makes some sense.
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31 mars 2020 à 16 h 40
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So you players signed to contracts will agree to lower salaries no problem? I'm not sure on that yet.
It's not impossible.

More likely some sort cov19 escrow recapture is done to give money back in later years once the economy recovers and a normalcy returns. Like perhaps a flat percentage if each players current salary goes into this, players signing new contracts will not be affected.


Players will need to realize that society doesn't have the same discretionary money it had before all this mess happened and so voluntary salary cuts are likely getting negiotated.
31 mars 2020 à 16 h 46
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Players will need to realize that society doesn't have the same discretionary money it had before all this mess happened and so voluntary salary cuts are likely getting negiotated.


Woah
I thought you would destroy me for suggesting this.

@jamiepo @Sign_em_up000000

What you guys think?
31 mars 2020 à 17 h 57
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So you players signed to contracts will agree to lower salaries no problem? I'm not sure on that yet.
It's not impossible.

More likely some sort cov19 escrow recapture is done to give money back in later years once the economy recovers and a normalcy returns. Like perhaps a flat percentage if each players current salary goes into this, players signing new contracts will not be affected.


No, I'm not saying the players with signed contract will agree....but the majority of the NHLPA will agree.
The basis of salary of the cap is 50/50 sharing of revenue with owners/players. Revenues now 140m average per team not the expected 170m.

PS. the economy recovers? IMO it's going to years....maybe 10 years. Just too much non productivity and money printing is happening now. The virus and the related shutdown will go on for months or more. Gotta think we are going to a big change in world supply lines. Gonna be more localized economies. Either way there are going to be big winners and losers. That's assuming millions don't die.
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31 mars 2020 à 18 h 12
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If thats their right side, they arent going far. Package Dermott, one of Johnsson/Kerfoot + Bracco/pick for defensive RHD


This mythical person doesn't really exist. There is someone like Savard if he's available. In the long run I'm not convinced how much more valuable he is than a guy like Dermott who is entering his prime while Savard leaves his.
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This mythical person doesn't really exist. There is someone like Savard if he's available. In the long run I'm not convinced how much more valuable he is than a guy like Dermott who is entering his prime while Savard leaves his.


I personally think Dermott + Kerfoot + 2nd should be enough for someone like Manson. But solid RHDs are so rare rn that their value is sky high so that likely won’t be enough
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If thats their right side, they arent going far. Package Dermott, one of Johnsson/Kerfoot + Bracco/pick for defensive RHD


Strange how folk said last year that the Leaf were so bad on the right side when Barrie and Ceci played, but no why would it best worse this season . Leafs actually "went far" after the firing of Babcock. Considering Reily, Muzzin and Dermot missed long stretches on the LTIR, the Leaf defence held up OK.
No team would offer as much for the the average Manson but somehow only the Leafs have to strip their team for to acquire RHD mediocrity.
 
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