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Nylander for pulock and filling out the d after

Créé par: leafs101
Date de création initiale: mar 31, 2020
Publié: Mar 31 at 10:38 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Islanders de New York
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Sorokin, Ilya3925 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Barzal, Mathew811 000 000 $
Toews, Devon33 500 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Tanev, Christopher44 500 000 $
Transactions
NYI
    cbo
    ANA
    1. Ladd, Andrew
    NYI
    1. Nylander, William
    Détails additionnels:
    Leafs use CBO on boychuk in exchange for a first- essentially what leafs paid to get Marleau out
    TOR
    1. Boychuk, Johnny
    2. Pulock, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
    3. 2021 1e round pick (NYI)
    NYI
    1. 2022 3e round pick (BUF)
    2. 2020 4e round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Cizikas, Casey
    NYI
    1. 2020 4e round pick (NJD)
    2. 2020 5e round pick (NJD)
    NJD
    1. Komarov, Leo
    Rachats de contrats
    • Rick DiPietro: 0 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    NYI
    NYI
    BUF
    NJD
    NYI
    NJD
    NYI
    NYI
    2021
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    2022
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    BUF
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $81 450 699 $0 $1 287 500 $49 301 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    NYI
    Lee, Anders
    7 000 000 $
    AG, C
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    NYI
    Barzal, Mathew
    11 000 000 $
    C
    RFA
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Beauvillier, Anthony
    2 100 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Nelson, Brock
    6 000 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    NYI
    Eberle, Jordan
    5 500 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Bailey, Josh
    5 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
    5 000 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    NYI
    Wahlstrom, Oliver
    925 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 2
    NYI
    Johnston, Ross
    1 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    NYI
    Bellows, Kieffer
    894 166 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Clutterbuck, Cal
    3 500 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    NYI
    Pelech, Adam
    1 600 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Tanev, Christopher
    4 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA
    NYI
    Varlamov, Semyon
    5 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Toews, Devon
    3 500 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    NYI
    Mayfield, Scott
    1 450 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Sorokin, Ilya
    925 000 $
    G
    RFA
    NYI
    Leddy, Nick
    5 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    NYI
    Dobson, Noah
    894 167 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    NYI
    Dal Colle, Michael
    700 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Hickey, Thomas
    2 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2

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    31 mar à 10 h 43
    #1
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Islanders will NOT trade Pulock unless Dobson and Wilde are properly groomed to take his spot in 5 years. Also, trading Cizikas!? Have you seen how this team plays without him!??
    31 mar à 10 h 53
    #2
    bhavikp27
    Rejoint: jun 2016
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    Islanders will NOT trade Pulock unless Dobson and Wilde are properly groomed to take his spot in 5 years. Also, trading Cizikas!? Have you seen how this team plays without him!??


    It's Leafs fan who made the team
    31 mar à 10 h 54
    #3
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: bhavikp27
    It's Leafs fan who made the team


    That explains Bellows as a 4C
    bhavikp27 a aimé ceci.
    31 mar à 10 h 58
    #4
    Rejoint: aoû 2019
    Messages: 633
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    islanders lack offense, near the bottom of the league in GF, nylander would easily become your 2nd best forward no questions asked, anyone who thinks islanders lose the 1 for 1 trade nylander for pulock is delusional, nice to see the islanders coming back to reality
    leafs101 a aimé ceci.
    31 mar à 11 h 03
    #5
    Banni
    Rejoint: fév 2020
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    STOP TRADING NYLANDER ITS SO ANNOYING!!!
    31 mar à 11 h 03
    #6
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    XD
    31 mar à 11 h 05
    #7
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: vr1995
    islanders lack offense, near the bottom of the league in GF, nylander would easily become your 2nd best forward no questions asked, anyone who thinks islanders lose the 1 for 1 trade nylander for pulock is delusional, nice to see the islanders coming back to reality


    Yes it IS a loss for the Islanders. Maybe you should pay more attention to the importance of players like Pelech and Pulock. The team has been an absolute defensive nightmare since Pelech went down. It'd be even worse without Pulock. There are other trades the Islanders can pursue to improve WITHOUT touching Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, or even Wahlstrom. Ffs, do some more research!
    31 mar à 11 h 09
    #8
    Rejoint: aoû 2019
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    Yes it IS a loss for the Islanders. Maybe you should pay more attention to the importance of players like Pelech and Pulock. The team has been an absolute defensive nightmare since Pelech went down. It'd be even worse without Pulock. There are other trades the Islanders can pursue to improve WITHOUT touching Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, or even Wahlstrom. Ffs, do some more research!


    and they are an offensive nightmare with a fully healthy lineup, you need to give to get, dont know when you and the other 6 Islanders fans will realize.
    31 mar à 11 h 11
    #9
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: vr1995
    and they are an offensive nightmare with a fully healthy lineup, you need to give to get, dont know when you and the other 6 Islanders fans will realize.


    You don't add by subtracting from an area that you already lack efficient depth at.
    31 mar à 11 h 14
    #10
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: vr1995
    and they are an offensive nightmare with a fully healthy lineup, you need to give to get, dont know when you and the other 6 Islanders fans will realize.


    Furthermore, the Islanders have Wahlstrom who is already being groomed to be that power forward scorer. He's been much better overall in BPT than Bellows. And there are other players the Islanders are most likely going for without breaking their foundation.
    31 mar à 11 h 16
    #11
    Rejoint: aoû 2019
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    You don't add by subtracting from an area that you already lack efficient depth at.


    if you wanna make the argument that the isles shouldnt do it based on need sure, but dont make it seem like the value isnt there because it is, at the same time if the team producing more offense there is less pressure on the d. and this is not me saying that offence is everything because its not by any means
    31 mar à 11 h 21
    #12
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: vr1995
    if you wanna make the argument that the isles shouldnt do it based on need sure, but dont make it seem like the value isnt there because it is, at the same time if the team producing more offense there is less pressure on the d. and this is not me saying that offence is everything because its not by any means


    Your team has a surplus on offense. We do NOT have a surplus of defense. And also not true. Ask the WPG Jets who had only 7 SOG to the Blues after 2 periods in an elimination game. Defense holds the fort and carries transition.
    31 mar à 12 h 00
    #13
    Rejoint: nov 2016
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    Pulock is not getting moved, their #1 D-Man is much more valuable then Nylander would be. On top of that, Nylander is the exact opposite of a Trotz player who does not commit to playing Defense. He would be absolutely exposed in this system and his offensive production would significantly drop.

    Bellows is not a C.

    Casey is a critical part of the team and not getting traded.

    Do not want Tanev.
    31 mar à 12 h 18
    #14
    MisstheWhalers
    Rejoint: jan 2019
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    Your team has a surplus on offense. We do NOT have a surplus of defense. And also not true. Ask the WPG Jets who had only 7 SOG to the Blues after 2 periods in an elimination game. Defense holds the fort and carries transition.


    The Jets just did not show up in that game, they quit on each other or the coach that day, that Jets team had both good scoring power up front and a very solid D core so that's really not a good example/comparison.
    31 mar à 12 h 23
    #15
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    The Jets just did not show up in that game, they quit on each other or the coach that day, that Jets team had both good scoring power up front and a very solid D core so that's really not a good example/comparison.


    Aside from Morrissey and Trouba at that time, who's relevant in that D core!?
    31 mar à 12 h 26
    #16
    Rejoint: fév 2019
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    NJD have no need for Komarov, especially for multiple picks. Easy pass.
    31 mar à 12 h 28
    #17
    MisstheWhalers
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    Aside from Morrissey and Trouba at that time, who's relevant in that D core!?


    Byfuglien, Myers, Chiarot and Kulikov.
    31 mar à 12 h 31
    #18
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Byfuglien, Myers and Chiarot.


    Yup, they're so valuable that the Jets succeeded in keeping all 3 of them. Oh wait a minute....
    31 mar à 12 h 34
    #19
    exo2769
    Rejoint: jui 2015
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    Both teams should be VERY cautious about a Nylander/Pulock swap in any shape/fashion pick your poison on who get's the extra picks/prospects...that's not why I'm making this comment. The system each player plays in matters a TON.

    TOR is a pure offense let's see who can score 7 goals first kind of offense. That doesn't diminish Pulock as a player at all. It means...do you think Pulock will provide the same kind of defensive ability in TORs system as he does in Trotz system...which won the Jennings last year and would be 5th this year...with much of the same players as 2017/2018 when they were dead last in goals allowed?

    Same goes the other way too... Nylander is an offensive player that's going to be asked to play a MUCH larger role defensively because of the system changes.

    Maybe, it's this exact reason these players are being discussed, but that also seems more like a lose/lose proposal rather than a win/win...both teams trying to fix something by trading away the identity that makes them who they are.
    31 mar à 12 h 38
    #20
    bgainesdm
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    Quoting: exo2769
    Both teams should be VERY cautious about a Nylander/Pulock swap in any shape/fashion pick your poison on who get's the extra picks/prospects...that's not why I'm making this comment. The system each player plays in matters a TON.

    TOR is a pure offense let's see who can score 7 goals first kind of offense. That doesn't diminish Pulock as a player at all. It means...do you think Pulock will provide the same kind of defensive ability in TORs system as he does in Trotz system...which won the Jennings last year and would be 5th this year...with much of the same players as 2017/2018 when they were dead last in goals allowed?

    Same goes the other way too... Nylander is an offensive player that's going to be asked to play a MUCH larger role defensively because of the system changes.

    Maybe, it's this exact reason these players are being discussed, but that also seems more like a lose/lose proposal rather than a win/win...both teams trying to fix something by trading away the identity that makes them who they are.


    The Islanders are also fine on RW long-term. LW is a different story. The guy I want is RNH. EDM is 90% going to lose him. He can play both C and LW and they'd want cost-controlled NHL ready prospects and picks to offset the AA trade.
    31 mar à 12 h 38
    #21
    MisstheWhalers
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    Yup, they're so valuable that the Jets succeeded in keeping all 3 of them. Oh wait a minute....


    Oh geez, what a misguided view.

    Buff decided to retire, sorry but signing Connor and Laine was more important than Myers and they should of signed Chiarot but Chevy is a moron sometimes.
    31 mar à 12 h 40
    #22
    bgainesdm
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Oh geez, what a misguided view.

    Buff decided to retire, sorry but signing Connor and Laine was more important than Myers and they should of signed Chiarot but Chevy is a moron sometimes.


    Laine is one of the laziest players when he doesn't have the puck. Your team needs more in D. CH is literally carrying the team who's bottom 4 defense now is made up of old coffee cups and lids.
    31 mar à 12 h 53
    #23
    MisstheWhalers
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    Quoting: bgainesdm
    The Islanders are also fine on RW long-term. LW is a different story. The guy I want is RNH. EDM is 90% going to lose him. He can play both C and LW and they'd want cost-controlled NHL ready prospects and picks to offset the AA trade.


    Why are the Oilers 90% going to lose RNH?

    I'd say it's about 90% that he's going to be resigning with the Oilers, they're way too thin for top 6 forwards to let him walk a free agent.
    31 mar à 12 h 56
    #24
    bgainesdm
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Why are the Oilers 90% going to lose RNH?

    I'd say it's about 90% that he's going to be resigning with the Oilers, they're way too thin for top 6 forwards to let him walk a free agent.


    Here are the obstacles that EDM has to overcome
    Extending Bear
    Kassian's extension kicks in
    Nurse's extension kicks in
    Need a backup to replace Smith
    They're going to extend AA given all they gave up to get him. Holland was GM of DET when AA was drafted.

    Also, don't think it'd be smart monetary management for EDM to have 3 players making up to potentially 29 mil AAV. Islanders can take full advantage of that.
    31 mar à 13 h 01
    #25
    Isles7
    Rejoint: jun 2019
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    Quoting: vr1995
    islanders lack offense, near the bottom of the league in GF, nylander would easily become your 2nd best forward no questions asked, anyone who thinks islanders lose the 1 for 1 trade nylander for pulock is delusional, nice to see the islanders coming back to reality


    The islanders can address their offense without giving up their #1D , just like the leafs can address their defense and starting G this summer without giving up nylander or marner.

    Just because the value is fair, doesn’t mean the islanders should do it. It doesn’t make the team better in the near future. Isles are set at G , D and center for the foreseeable future - it’s not a secret they need a scoring winger, but until wahlstrom develops into that 30+ winger for barzal, they can trade for a guy like Saad or tatar (who both have 1 year left on their deals) as a stop gap or just sign Hoffman in FA.
     
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