Modifié 1 avr. 2020 à 16 h 9
Quoting: JTBF81
It's fine, believe what you want, 84 to 88 was what was said by the NHL for next year's cap. It wasn't confirmed of course but it's the only hard #'s that have been posted. I grasp the situation just fine thanks, yes the cap situation is different now than a few weeks ago but 1. The season can still be finished(at least an expanded or regular playoffs) and 2. nothing but ppl spouting the cba and assuming the cap is plummeting has been posted, and not even by credible members of the league. The regular season games may or may not be played but the league has already asked teams about arena availability well into July so the plan is still very much to finish this season. The draft and free agency have already been postponed, if the start of next season has to be delayed a handful of weeks(which I doubt) then so be it. Better to finish this season and sacrifice a few games from a whole new season rather than just scrap this season entirely. The cap could stay flat but the league will not have it go down as they know that many teams, not just Tampa, are tight with the cap and in order to be as balanced as possi le would either provide a cbo or some other means of cap relief. In either case, my original point stands, Tampa won't be getting gutted and losing all of these players that so many ppl that don't know Tampa and how they get things done assume will happen. Tampa has guys that buy in to the team's structure and philosophy, not ridiculously overpaid contracts that put them in cap hell. Tampa trades Killorn, uses the compliance buy out on one of Gourde or TJ and makes one more small move at that point and the rfa's remain very much with Tampa. Tampa will be a top 5 team for several more years with smart cap management and good trades. I do find it pretty funny though seeing all these fans of other teams thinking Tampa is losing such and such to OS for sure and will be a terrible team now lol.
Ah yes, because I definitely said Tampa was losing people this off season and will be a terrible team now...? What? Someone likes to project a bit I think. I barely even mentioned Tampa in my original comment. All I was saying is that it is likely that the cap will stay flat, POSSIBLY even go down (and there's historical precedent for the cap going down in seasons when revenue was lost, regardless of how much you want stick your fingers in your ears and deny it) just to temper your expectations. But there is no way that it will go to 84 million now. And since you seem to think that will still happen at some point, I tend to stand by my thought that you don't fully grasp how difficult it will be to come up with that number for the cap.
You talk about credible sources, and to be fair to you, yes, Bill Daley, who gave that $84-88 million range, is a more credible source than, idk, Darren Dreger or something, but don't you think that maybe circumstances have changed a bit since he made that announcement with this whole, uh, pandemic? Like, credible sources or not, there is no reason to believe that the cap will be what you say when you're entire belief is based on an announcement that happened before it was ever a thought that the league might miss out on a billion dollars. If GMs conducted business during this shutdown planning on an $84 million cap, we'd be calling them irresponsible and we'd be right.
The cap going down does not necessarily mean there's a nuclear situation that you (incorrectly) think I was describing where every team has to trade away S10million in cap space to other teams, they'll offer CBOs and such, and if the cap goes down too much owners will have to use them, even if they don't have the money. If the cap goes down they should 100% offer CBOs, my point with that though is that that might not help Tampa as much as you think, if they still have to trade someone after their CBO to make the cap work and keep their guys, which is also possible. With CBOs, there will be a bunch of good players who were simply casuality of the CBOs that will have gotten their money, and now just need a spot to play, meaning they will sign on the cheap, like Shattenkirk did last summer. Why would teams give up assets to take a Tampa player if there's a ton of good, cheap free agents that they can get for nothing?
CBOs aren't the only option, the NHL could even go as far as roll back player salary evenly. There's ways around it, and yes these teams won't be gutted (which I never said would happen) but it's definitely, 100% possible that the cap goes down. We can debate on how likely it is (and I think it's decently likely), but that it's a possibility is not an argument.
Honestly, I don't even care about the cap number at this point, I'm more baffled by your inability to adapt your opinion to the reality, which is that there is no real end in sight for bringing back the league and every day it goes on it gets more and more unlikely that it will come back for this season. Gary Bettman (let me know if he isn't credible enough!) has said multiple times since the league shut down that the NHL's primary objective is to preserve next season over finishing this one, so this whole idea about swapping a few games out of next season to make up for this one is a non starter. That's directly from the commissioner, just playing by your rules here. And I actually agree with you, that it's better to finish the season at the expense of a delayed next season, even if that means the Stanley Cup is awarded on Christmas Day, but the NHL is incompetent and won't do that. Like, come on man, you gotta be able to adjust your viewpoint based on what the world is telling you, not just what you want to happen, especially for things that actually matter (ie, not the 2020-21 salary cap).