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30 mars 2020 à 21 h 29
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lul we aint trading cambell. KHL goalies usually require a year with an AHL affiliate to see how they adjust to north american hockey, samsonov, shesterkin, georgiev, bobrosky, and vasilesky all had to do it. As for Holl getting traded why. Sure u can put dermott on the right side but he is not that good there and Muzzin-Holl have been producting good defensive numbers.
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30 mars 2020 à 21 h 33
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lul we aint trading cambell. KHL goalies usually require a year with an AHL affiliate to see how they adjust to north american hockey, samsonov, shesterkin, georgiev, bobrosky, and vasilesky all had to do it. As for Holl getting traded why. Sure u can put dermott on the right side but he is not that good there and Muzzin-Holl have been producting good defensive numbers.


Yea were not. I just thought "who would replace Andersen"? Who do you think is better, Dermott or Holl?
30 mars 2020 à 21 h 54
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Yea were not. I just thought "who would replace Andersen"? Who do you think is better, Dermott or Holl?


The leafs should look into a KHL goalie but place him with the marlies for a year.

Reccomendations would be

1. Ivan Bocharov (1.98 GAA, 0.935sv) <--- probs the best option
2. Evgeny Alikin (2.03 GAA, 0.937sv)
3. Vladislav Podyapolsky (2.42 GAA, 0. 919sv)
4. Andrei Tikhomirov (2.7GAA, 0.918sv)
5. Ilya Konovalov (2.45GAA, 0.913sv) <-- youngest at 21

As for Dermott or Holl would rather have Holl on the right. Dermott was ok but hes better as a LD. Holl's stats with Muzzin make him an instant keeper. Dermott can be used as a trade piece in looking for defensive partner for rielly
30 mars 2020 à 21 h 56
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Sorry three horrid trades. Engvall, Tanev and Campbell costs about the same Tanev. And this silly fascination about finding a partner for Reilly. If Reilly is such a premier Dman, he should be able to play with anyone. Point he Reilly is not a premier Dman.
Robertson, Thornton and a Russian rookie goalie on the team. Gag on that thought.
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30 mars 2020 à 22 h 1
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Sorry three horrid trades. Engvall, Tanev and Campbell costs about the same Tanev. And this silly fascination about finding a partner for Reilly. If Reilly is such a premier Dman, he should be able to play with anyone. Point he Reilly is not a premier Dman.
Robertson, Thornton and a Russian rookie goalie on the team. Gag on that thought.


while i agree with robertson and a khl goalie being bad additions on this team (except if the KHL goalie goes to the marlies). Thorton at league min would be fine. He can play with clifford and spezza on the 4th line and that line would barely get any ice time so who cares. As for Rielly. U want a more defensive partner for him. He is an incredible defenseman but pair him with the wrong partner and he ends up having to do more work such was the case with ceci. As soon as rielly was paired with barrie his numbers got better. Only reason rielly has not been playing good this season is due to a nagging injury he suffered before the season started. But since he has had time off since the florida injury he has looked so much better and cant wait to see him in the playoffs. As for a good partner, A guy like gudas or savard would work perfectly as both are good in their own zones and can let rielly move around more freely.
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 12
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while i agree with robertson and a khl goalie being bad additions on this team (except if the KHL goalie goes to the marlies). Thorton at league min would be fine. He can play with clifford and spezza on the 4th line and that line would barely get any ice time so who cares. As for Rielly. U want a more defensive partner for him. He is an incredible defenseman but pair him with the wrong partner and he ends up having to do more work such was the case with ceci. As soon as rielly was paired with barrie his numbers got better. Only reason rielly has not been playing good this season is due to a nagging injury he suffered before the season started. But since he has had time off since the florida injury he has looked so much better and cant wait to see him in the playoffs. As for a good partner, A guy like gudas or savard would work perfectly as both are good in their own zones and can let rielly move around more freely.


I can't call Reilly a premier Dman at all. He's certainly very good when the Leafs have the puck and on the PP. But on defence, he's average at best, and no partner can save the Leafs or Reilly from his defensive liabilities. Reilly is a last resort on the PK...not to be trusted. Hardly premier a Dman. His deficiencies as player can't be justified because supposedly a nagging injury this season.
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 15
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I can't call Reilly a premier Dman at all. He's certainly very good when the Leafs have the puck and on the PP. But on defence, he's average at best, and no partner can save the Leafs or Reilly from his defensive liabilities. Reilly is a last resort on the PK...not to be trusted. Hardly premier a Dman. His deficiencies as player can't be justified because supposedly a nagging injury this season.


He's more important to the team than Marner, Nylander or Tavares. That in itself makes him elite.
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 16
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I can't call Reilly a premier Dman at all. He's certainly very good when the Leafs have the puck and on the PP. But on defence, he's average at best, and no partner can save the Leafs or Reilly from his defensive liabilities. Reilly is a last resort on the PK...not to be trusted. Hardly premier a Dman. His deficiencies as player can't be justified because supposedly a nagging injury this season.


remember last season how he carried our d?
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 17
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The leafs should look into a KHL goalie but place him with the marlies for a year.

Reccomendations would be

1. Ivan Bocharov (1.98 GAA, 0.935sv) <--- probs the best option
2. Evgeny Alikin (2.03 GAA, 0.937sv)
3. Vladislav Podyapolsky (2.42 GAA, 0. 919sv)
4. Andrei Tikhomirov (2.7GAA, 0.918sv)
5. Ilya Konovalov (2.45GAA, 0.913sv) <-- youngest at 21

As for Dermott or Holl would rather have Holl on the right. Dermott was ok but hes better as a LD. Holl's stats with Muzzin make him an instant keeper. Dermott can be used as a trade piece in looking for defensive partner for rielly


I don't think KHL players want to come over just to play in the Marlies. The KHL is a higher level than the AHL and they get paid significantly more. Notice how most Russian goalies are starters.
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 25
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All these RFAs are signing for below their qualifying offer... and Mikheyev signing for 1.25M. Why would they do that? It's like every time you need more cap space you take it off Mikheyev's contract.
30 mars 2020 à 22 h 26
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remember last season how he carried our d?


Thanks for confirming my thoughts. Yep Reilly does quite well on PP and OK to good when Leaf are at even strength. But Reilly (and Gardiner) were left off the PK. Zaitsev and Hainsey were worked endlessly on the PK because of the defensive liabilities of Reilly and Gardiner.
I'm not one thinking the Leafs (or any team) need premier Dmen to be successful. Team need 6 or 7 competent Dmen and a few of those good to good plus. Sure Reilly might be the Leafs best Dman but that doesn't make him premier in the NHL due to his obvious deficiencies as Dman.
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30 mars 2020 à 23 h 1
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I don't think KHL players want to come over just to play in the Marlies. The KHL is a higher level than the AHL and they get paid significantly more. Notice how most Russian goalies are starters.


any goalie who the leafs sign will have to at least for a bit. Using other team khl goalies as an example. Shesterkin had to, georgiev had to, samsonov had to, even the big boyz bobrosky and vasilesky had to. Every goalie who comes to the NHL needs a half or full season with an ahl affiliate to judge how well they will do in the NHL. Just because they did well in their league does not mean they will succeed in the NHL. Every goalie who has played in the NHL has done it within their first year and they accept that. Especially if it means being successful on an NHL team
31 mars 2020 à 0 h 38
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Before you go all the way to Russia to sign an unproven goalie, have a look at Kevin Boyle in San Diego, He should be a perfectly acceptable back-up to Freddie, and just as inexpensive. Meanwhile, I'd be willing to bet that by the time the Leafs' first pick rolls around, the only goalie drafted up to that point will be Askarov.
31 mars 2020 à 3 h 40
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Quoting: aadoyle
The leafs should look into a KHL goalie but place him with the marlies for a year.

Reccomendations would be

1. Ivan Bocharov (1.98 GAA, 0.935sv) <--- probs the best option
2. Evgeny Alikin (2.03 GAA, 0.937sv)
3. Vladislav Podyapolsky (2.42 GAA, 0. 919sv)
4. Andrei Tikhomirov (2.7GAA, 0.918sv)
5. Ilya Konovalov (2.45GAA, 0.913sv) <-- youngest at 21

As for Dermott or Holl would rather have Holl on the right. Dermott was ok but hes better as a LD. Holl's stats with Muzzin make him an instant keeper. Dermott can be used as a trade piece in looking for defensive partner for rielly


Neither of those is available since they are under contract for next year or owned by NHL team. Here is actual list of goalies of KHL available this summer..

1. Alexei Melnichuk (16G, 1.68 GAA, .930sv%)
2. Alexei Krasikov (30G, 2.01 GAA, .935sv%)
3. nobody else should be considered this year

(what if Dermott is that defensive partner for Rielly?)
31 mars 2020 à 4 h 30
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Neither of those is available since they are under contract for next year or owned by NHL team. Here is actual list of goalies of KHL available this summer..

1. Alexei Melnichuk (16G, 1.68 GAA, .930sv%)
2. Alexei Krasikov (30G, 2.01 GAA, .935sv%)
3. nobody else should be considered this year

(what if Dermott is that defensive partner for Rielly?)


Dermott last year was for a bit it was a disaster. If dermott goes Rd it's on the third pairing but that would not help sandin who needs a veteran cheap Rd to help him ( bogosisn, hainsey) . As for Alexei Krasikov he could work was looking at Adam Reideborn but he's a little to old.would make an excellent backup
31 mars 2020 à 6 h 56
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Dermott last year was for a bit it was a disaster. If dermott goes Rd it's on the third pairing but that would not help sandin who needs a veteran cheap Rd to help him ( bogosisn, hainsey) . As for Alexei Krasikov he could work was looking at Adam Reideborn but he's a little to old.would make an excellent backup


Gee, I wouldn't call a Dermot a disaster last year. He was a plus fourteen on supposedly a horrid Leaf defence. For two seasons Dermot has not been playing with so called superior partners. In 2018/19 it was the Russian rookie and this season. He didn't play with Reilly, Muzzin or Barrie (though Barrie was trash) this year. Agree with you out of necessity Dermot might be going to the right side this year. But calling him a third pairing guy, how is that? He'll have Holl and Liljegren as his other right side Dmen. All three will be playing similar minutes in various situations.
Even Reilly I wouldn't call him # 1 Dman. He's the number one Leaf PP Dman, but not necessarily at even strength and doesn't see PK time.
31 mars 2020 à 12 h 36
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Gee, I wouldn't call a Dermot a disaster last year. He was a plus fourteen on supposedly a horrid Leaf defence. For two seasons Dermot has not been playing with so called superior partners. In 2018/19 it was the Russian rookie and this season. He didn't play with Reilly, Muzzin or Barrie (though Barrie was trash) this year. Agree with you out of necessity Dermot might be going to the right side this year. But calling him a third pairing guy, how is that? He'll have Holl and Liljegren as his other right side Dmen. All three will be playing similar minutes in various situations.
Even Reilly I wouldn't call him # 1 Dman. He's the number one Leaf PP Dman, but not necessarily at even strength and doesn't see PK time.


if dermott goes to the right side he will be a third pairing guy. On the left he can push 2nd but on the right he struggles. rielly and muzzin are the quarterbacks of the leafs defense and Sandin has impressed so he will probs be the third LD next season. Holl and muzzin have produced good numbers so hes fine. Liligren is not NHL ready, even next season I dont see him being ready. Dubas should trade for some true RD who can play with rielly and sandin and help the defense improve.
31 mars 2020 à 13 h 15
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if dermott goes to the right side he will be a third pairing guy. On the left he can push 2nd but on the right he struggles. rielly and muzzin are the quarterbacks of the leafs defense and Sandin has impressed so he will probs be the third LD next season. Holl and muzzin have produced good numbers so hes fine. Liligren is not NHL ready, even next season I dont see him being ready. Dubas should trade for some true RD who can play with rielly and sandin and help the defense improve.


I , like 99% of CapFriendly users have no comprehension of what 1st, 2nd or 3rd pairing means. It's a silly made number that folks just can't justify. Take Reilly is he this mystical # 1? Well he plays the most minutes because he plays the PP, and shifts can be longer with the "easy" minutes. He certainly isn't used a shut down defender, where Muzzin would be used more. And coaches prefer to have any left handed Dman on PK...Muzzin/Marincin especially than Reilly. So saying Dermot is a third pairing guy....just makes no sense at all. Betcha Dermot would inherit Hainsey role and switch to the left side when killing penalties so Reilly doesn't have to be on the ice on the PK.
No I'll agree with you the Leafs might want to trade for a right handed Dman for "handiness balance", but likely the three or four guys who play the right side next season will be moderately competent and not much more.
 
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