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What Dubas should have done

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          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 1
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          If any of those deals were available, that's what they would've been signed to. Also, Ceci needed to come back to make that Ottawa deal happen.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 1
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          Yeah that would not have been possible. Marner waited for Matthew's to sign so he had a comparable. How do you think Marner would have accepted that terrible contract offer after signing Matthew's to $12M a year?

          That is a much better contract for Matthew's... I suspect Matthews doesn't want to stay in Toronto for 8 years which is why he got a 5 year deal... he just got 8 year deal money on a 5 year deal somehow and made Dubas look like a fool.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 4
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          Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
          If any of those deals were available, that's what they would've been signed to. Also, Ceci needed to come back to make that Ottawa deal happen.


          Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
          Yeah that would not have been possible. Marner waited for Matthew's to sign so he had a comparable. How do you think Marner would have accepted that terrible contract offer after signing Matthew's to $12M a year?

          That is a much better contract for Matthew's... I suspect Matthews doesn't want to stay in Toronto for 8 years which is why he got a 5 year deal... he just got 8 year deal money on a 5 year deal somehow and made Dubas look like a fool.


          He’s not saying that Marner would’ve done that, he’s saying that’s what he should’ve taken.
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          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 5
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          Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
          If any of those deals were available, that's what they would've been signed to. Also, Ceci needed to come back to make that Ottawa deal happen.


          The Alex Nylander for Henri Jokiharju trade happend
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 7
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          Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
          He’s not saying that Marner would’ve done that, he’s saying that’s what he should’ve taken.


          The title is "What Dubas should have done". If those deals were available, Dubas sure would've signed 'em.
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          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 8
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          Quoting: Leafsfan34
          The Alex Nylander for Henri Jokiharju trade happend


          What does that have to do with anything?
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 11
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          Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
          The title is "What Dubas should have done". If those deals were available, Dubas sure would've signed 'em.


          I think he means Dubas should’ve forced them to sign those deals, if not, they could sit for the year & have no leverage left.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 14
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          Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
          I think he means Dubas should’ve forced them to sign those deals, if not, they could sit for the year & have no leverage left.


          They had all the leverage. Dubas was absolutely handcuffed, partially by his own fault, he could not have forced them to sign those deals.
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          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 21
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          Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
          They had all the leverage. Dubas was absolutely handcuffed, partially by his own fault, he could not have forced them to sign those deals.


          He couldn’t, but he could’ve just not agreed to their demands & made them sit until they became regretful.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 26
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          Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
          He couldn’t, but he could’ve just not agreed to their demands & made them sit until they became regretful.


          Which would happen when? Imagine how bad the Leafs would've been to start the season without their two best players and Babcock acting like Spezza doesn't exist and making Barrie play the style of a defensive stalwart. They would've gotten caved in and all this happens after the Nylander hold out; people would've been calling for Dubas' head. If anything, their prices would've went up while they sat out.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 32
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          Which would happen when? Imagine how bad the Leafs would've been to start the season without their two best players and Babcock acting like Spezza doesn't exist and making Barrie play the style of a defensive stalwart. They would've gotten caved in and all this happens after the Nylander hold out; people would've been calling for Dubas' head. If anything, their prices would've went up while they sat out.


          If you don’t play, you’re value goes down regardless of how it impacts the team. No matter what, Marner got grossly overpaid.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 32
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          Which would happen when? Imagine how bad the Leafs would've been to start the season without their two best players and Babcock acting like Spezza doesn't exist and making Barrie play the style of a defensive stalwart. They would've gotten caved in and all this happens after the Nylander hold out; people would've been calling for Dubas' head. If anything, their prices would've went up while they sat out.


          If you don’t play, you’re value goes down regardless of how it impacts the team. No matter what, Marner got grossly overpaid.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 34
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          Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
          If you don’t play, you’re value goes down regardless of how it impacts the team.


          That's just... incorrect. However, yes, Marner got overpaid.
          30 mars 2020 à 14 h 45
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          Sorry, it's a silly scenario you have laid out "what Dubas should have done". We never know what the players intentions. I'm guessing that Matthews had no intention to sign for 8 years with the Leafs. Nothing but a massive overpay would have got Matthews more term to sign. I believe he wants be a UFA soon so he can sign with a big US market team.
          Marner wouldn't signed for so low for three year deal. He might have been forced to take a one deal.
          All three players got overpaid considering the $$$ and term at the time. Good for the players, but if Leaf management (and c'mon it's not just Dubas) they could have said no, and tried to get a more NHL market based $$$ and term. Still if the players don't want to sign those type of contracts, it's their right too.
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          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 12
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          Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
          If any of those deals were available, that's what they would've been signed to. Also, Ceci needed to come back to make that Ottawa deal happen.


          Toronto wouldn't have a 3rd. They would have had Zaitsev...
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 15
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          Toronto wouldn't have a 3rd. They would have had Zaitsev...


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          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 19
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          Deal was Zaitsev for Ceci on defense. Toronto either gets Ceci or keeps Zaitsev...
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 21
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          Deal was Zaitsev for Ceci on defense. Toronto either gets Ceci or keeps Zaitsev...


          Yes, that's what I said.
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 21
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          Quoting: Riley816
          Deal was Zaitsev for Ceci on defense. Toronto either gets Ceci or keeps Zaitsev...


          Lol ceci was an rfa, so whats the problem with not taking Ceci?
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 26
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          Quoting: Leafsfan34
          Lol ceci was an rfa, so whats the problem with not taking Ceci?


          Nothing. But Toronto would still have Zaitsev. He wouldn't have been traded for Ceci...
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 32
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          Modifié 30 mars 2020 à 15 h 39
          the hell is that marner contract before marner had 90 points people said he was 6-7 mill with (60points) at the time before signing that contract he had (90 points). while I agree 10.8 was an overpayment 5.5 is a significant underpayment. Even if its a bridge deal marner did better than laine who didnt even know if he wanted to play for the jets. 8.93m for 6 years would have been fair deal for him. As for Ceci toronto had no choice it was either keep zaitsev or take ceci for a year than move on. Still giving up on brown was sad especially with how well he is doing now.

          Dubas is a smart man and sure the trades he made didnt work out but god getting barrie who under keefe from day 1 could have had (70points) and kerfoot who may also have benefited from keefe the whole season for Kadri sure I would have done it just not with Babcock around. While I agree the trade might not look right remember Babcock was making barrie's life a living nightmare and keefe realized that immediately. If he can do similar trades out of kerfoot, johnsson, etc than toronto will be fine. We have a guy who bloody invented the cap rules so if any team knows how to navigate it, its toronto.
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 37
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          the hell is that marner contract before marner had 90 points people said he was 6-7 mill with (60points) at the time before signing that contract he had (90 points). while I agree 10.8 was an overpayment 5.5 is a significant underpayment. 8.93 would have been fair deal for him. As for Ceci toronto had no choice it was either keep zaitsev or take ceci for a year than move on.

          Dubas is a smart man and sure the trades he made didnt work out but god getting barrie who under keefe from day 1 could have had (70points) and kerfoot who may also have benefited from keefe the whole season for Kadri sure. While I agree the trade might not look right remember Babcock was making barrie's life a living nightmare and keefe realized that immediately. If he can do similar trades out of kerfoot, johnsson, etc than toronto will be fine. We have a guy who bloody invented the cap rules so if any team knows how to navigate it, its toronto.


          1. Do you know what a bridge deal is!!!! Kucherov who is a much better player got a 4.9 bridge deal. Clearly you don't know what a bridge deal is!
          2. The rest of the stuff you said doesn't make sense just stay in the present
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 39
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          1. Do you know what a bridge deal is!!!! Kucherov who is a much better player got a 4.9 bridge deal. Clearly you don't know what a bridge deal is!
          2. The rest of the stuff you said doesn't make sense just stay in the present


          u know florida players get payed less due to less taxes right. they get most of that money. Toronto taxes are high so no way marner would take that.
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 43
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          Quoting: aadoyle
          u know florida players get payed less due to less taxes right. they get most of that money. Toronto taxes are high so no way marner would take that.


          You know how much better Kucherov is than Marner right? Marner would get 5-6mil bridge.
          30 mars 2020 à 15 h 55
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          You know how much better Kucherov is than Marner right? Marner would get 5-6mil bridge.


          Kucherov not a good example to compare with marner. U want someone from the same draft period Mikko Rantanen is that guy and making 9.25m x 6 with an 80point season is the best comparable. Marner should have got 8.93 for 6 years. He gets money, he gets the term he wants and toronto has a little extra to spend. Marner wanted to be a UFA at the end of his deal and Dubas did not want to go through a long negotiation like nylander so just signed him. If I was Dubas I would have offered 8.93m for 6 and held he didnt sign to bad go play in europe or get traded/offersheeted we would take those firsts ez and trade for some defense
           
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