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Hischier trade

Créé par: Paul13
Date de création initiale: mar 28, 2020
Publié: Mar 28 at 1:57 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Explications
So i doubt the Devils would be interested in this deal but, if Devils get 2nd pick in lottery and the obvious choice is Byfield, I would assume Hischier becomes available. I'm guessing this trade would be more complicated than what I have, but please tell me what you think should be added.
This assumes a cap decrease, 1 compliance buyout, and that Dubnyk is sent to AHL but does not report.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill2990 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Belpedio, Louis2890 000 $
Falkovsky, Stepan2890 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2890 000 $
Robson, Mat2890 000 $
Sturm, Nico2890 000 $
Warner, Hunter2890 000 $
Kunin, Luke33 000 000 $
Greenway, Jordan33 000 000 $
Menell, Brennan2890 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson44 250 000 $
Transactions
MIN
    Cap compliance buyout
    ANA
    1. Zuccarello, Mats
    MIN
    1. Boqvist, Jesper
    2. Hischier, Nico
    NJD
    1. Dumba, Matt
    2. Kaprizov, Kirill
    MIN
      Not a trade. Sent to AHL but opts not to report.
      ARI
      1. Dubnyk, Devan
      ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
      2020
      PIT
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      2021
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      2022
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      MIN
      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2278 000 000 $70 061 089 $0 $0 $7 938 911 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      MIN
      Fiala, Kevin
      3 000 000 $
      AG
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Hischier, Nico
      7 250 000 $
      C
      UFA - 7
      MIN
      Kunin, Luke
      3 000 000 $
      AD, C
      RFA
      MIN
      Parise, Zach
      7 538 461 $
      AG
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      MIN
      Eriksson Ek, Joel
      1 487 500 $
      C
      RFA - 1
      NJD
      Boqvist, Jesper
      925 000 $
      C, AG, AD
      RFA - 2
      MIN
      Greenway, Jordan
      3 000 000 $
      AG
      RFA
      MIN
      Staal, Eric
      3 250 000 $
      C
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      MIN
      Donato, Ryan
      1 900 000 $
      AD, AG, C
      RFA - 1
      MIN
      Foligno, Marcus
      2 875 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1
      MIN
      Sturm, Nico
      890 000 $
      C
      RFA
      MIN
      Hartman, Ryan
      1 900 000 $
      AG, AD
      RFA - 1
      MIN
      Rask, Victor
      4 000 000 $
      C
      UFA - 2
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      MIN
      Suter, Ryan
      7 538 461 $
      DG
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      MIN
      Spurgeon, Jared
      7 575 000 $
      DD
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      MIN
      Kähkönen, Kaapo
      890 000 $
      G
      RFA
      MIN
      Brodin, Jonas
      4 166 667 $
      DG
      UFA - 1
      MIN
      Soucy, Carson
      4 250 000 $
      D
      UFA
      MIN
      Stalock, Alex
      785 000 $
      G
      UFA - 2
      MIN
      Hunt, Brad
      700 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      MIN
      Belpedio, Louis
      890 000 $
      DD
      RFA
      MIN
      Pateryn, Greg
      2 250 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1

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      28 mar à 14 h 04
      #1
      Isles777
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      If the devils draft one of byfield/Rossi , they should consider this trade.
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      28 mar à 14 h 17
      #2
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      terrible trade for NJ
      28 mar à 14 h 20
      #3
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      terrible trade for NJ


      I'm asking for opinions on what needs to be added.
      28 mar à 14 h 22
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      Quoting: Paul13
      I'm asking for opinions on what needs to be added.


      a lot, mostly someone better than Dumba
      28 mar à 14 h 29
      #5
      wpg
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      a lot, mostly someone better than Dumba


      lol toronto fans sure have alot of hate on dumba for some reason
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      28 mar à 14 h 32
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      Quoting: HockeyFan989
      lol toronto fans sure have alot of hate on dumba for some reason


      it's amazing how a guy who cant play defence not being worth Hischier + is hate. If Dumba other fans would be telling us that they'd need to retain salary and add a 1st to get a 2nd for him
      28 mar à 14 h 33
      #7
      MisstheWhalers
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      Would the Devils be better off to trade Hughes rather then Hischier?
      28 mar à 14 h 33
      #8
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      Quoting: HockeyFan989
      lol toronto fans sure have alot of hate on dumba for some reason


      It's part of a system they have in place where they overrate their players and trash other players in the hopes of acquiring that player, it's cute actually.
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      28 mar à 14 h 34
      #9
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      Quoting: MisstheWhalers
      Would the Devils be better off to trade Hughes rather then Hischier?


      I've heard Hughes called a generational type talent so I assume they keep him.
      28 mar à 14 h 43
      #10
      wpg
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      it's amazing how a guy who cant play defence not being worth Hischier + is hate. If Dumba other fans would be telling us that they'd need to retain salary and add a 1st to get a 2nd for him


      Dumba's having an off year.. can see 50+ points otherwise and Kaprizov is included as well who has bout the same if not more value than Dumba, if new jersey drafts a center cant see them not doing it
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      28 mar à 14 h 47
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      Quoting: Paul13
      It's part of a system they have in place where they overrate their players and trash other players in the hopes of acquiring that player, it's cute actually.


      oh yes, this is totally strictly a Toronto fan thing. No other fan base ever does it ever. Every single other fan base here is totally square about the value of their own players and prospects
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      28 mar à 14 h 53
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      Quoting: HockeyFan989
      Dumba's having an off year.. can see 50+ points otherwise and Kaprizov is included as well who has bout the same if not more value than Dumba, if new jersey drafts a center cant see them not doing it


      Matt Dumba has hit 50 points once in his career. other than that he's had one season over 30 points. He also is not good defensively and he has a big ol contract. Karpitzov is more valuable than him in a trade like this, but like i said, the add would need to be something better than Dumba to make him worth Hischier. Like Brodin
      28 mar à 14 h 55
      #13
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      oh yes, this is totally strictly a Toronto fan thing. No other fan base ever does it ever. Every single other fan base here is totally square about the value of their own players and prospects


      That's fair, but Leafs fans, maybe because there are so many of you on here, seem to be the worst about it.
      Don't know how many time I've seen Jeremy Bracco overrated on here.
      28 mar à 15 h 00
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      Quoting: Paul13
      That's fair, but Leafs fans, maybe because there are so many of you on here, seem to be the worst about it.
      Don't know how many time I've seen Jeremy Bracco overrated on here.


      yes, did you see the Georgiev trade proposals? how about the recent Marner ones? Hell, there was a Hawks fan telling me how Murray is a number 3 defender just yesterday. Other fans are just as bad, just not as plentiful
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      28 mar à 15 h 18
      #15
      MisstheWhalers
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      Quoting: Paul13
      I've heard Hughes called a generational type talent so I assume they keep him.


      Time will tell if Hughes is as generational as the hype around him is.
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      28 mar à 15 h 43
      #16
      MNBassman
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      Quoting: HockeyFan989
      lol toronto fans sure have alot of hate on dumba for some reason


      It has more to do with ignorance than hatred...
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      28 mar à 15 h 45
      #17
      MNBassman
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      it's amazing how a guy who cant play defence not being worth Hischier + is hate. If Dumba other fans would be telling us that they'd need to retain salary and add a 1st to get a 2nd for him


      Prime example of ignorance.
      28 mar à 15 h 48
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      Quoting: MNBassman
      Prime example of ignorance.


      oh i would LOVE to hear you're personal opinion on the matter. I need a good laugh.
      28 mar à 15 h 49
      #19
      MNBassman
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      oh yes, this is totally strictly a Toronto fan thing. No other fan base ever does it ever. Every single other fan base here is totally square about the value of their own players and prospects


      There is a serious race for over-valuing supremacy between Leafs and Habs fans...
      28 mar à 15 h 51
      #20
      MNBassman
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      Quoting: JaredOfLondon
      oh i would LOVE to hear you're personal opinion on the matter. I need a good laugh.


      Dumba is a loooong ways from being a defensive liability. He’s not great, but at least 10x the defender Barrie is.
      28 mar à 15 h 54
      #21
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      Quoting: MNBassman
      Dumba is a loooong ways from being a defensive liability. He’s not great, but at least 10x the defender Barrie is.


      Dirt is 10x more edible than gravel but that doesnt make it oatmeal
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      28 mar à 15 h 57
      #22
      Démarrer sujet
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      Modifié 28 mar à 16 h 29
      @MNBassman what are your thoughts on the trade? In your opinion what should be added.
      28 mar à 20 h 46
      #23
      MNBassman
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      Quoting: Paul13
      @MNBassman what are your thoughts on the trade? In your opinion what should be added.


      I would need to know more about Hischier’s and Boqvist’s floors and ceilings to analyze this trade sufficiently. As I’ve stated many times, I’m a very big believer in Dumba and think this season will prove to be an outlier, not his new normal. Kaprizov, i see as having an instant impact and i expect him yo be a 40-70 point/year guy for the next decade. Hischier, i see as a #2 center, and I know very little about Boqvist.
      My best guess would be that Boqvist should be replaced by Ty Smith and then wrap this trade up with a bow and call it good for both teams. The Wild could then trade Brodin for another center or center prospect and with Hischier, Ek, and the Brodin return, they would be in great shape at center for the foreseeable future.
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      29 mar à 0 h 08
      #24
      MNBassman
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      Side note: I think you are paying Soucy way too much here. He’s like a 2.5 pairing defenseman - not quite a 2nd pairing, but a great 3rd pairing d-man. I wouldn’t pay him over $3million per and I wouldn't sign him until after i traded Brodin...
      29 mar à 0 h 26
      #25
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      Quoting: MNBassman
      Side note: I think you are paying Soucy way too much here. He’s like a 2.5 pairing defenseman - not quite a 2nd pairing, but a great 3rd pairing d-man. I wouldn’t pay him over $3million per and I wouldn't sign him until after i traded Brodin...


      I'm horse sh...it at contracts so when it comes to signing players of consequence I try to be high.
      I'm a big fan of Brodin, but since it's hard to rate him based on regular statistics he gets seriously underrated, I don't see Wild getting a fair trade for him. So I would rather hold on to him. Dumba I would rather hold onto atleast until he returns to form, but when a viable center option presents itself I think Wild have to be ready to jump.
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