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Eichel and cap drop plus compliance buyout

Créé par: Paul13
Date de création initiale: mar 27, 2020
Publié: Mar 28 at 3:42 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Explications
Obviously Sabres don't trade Eichel unless he is begging to get out. Not sure I'm offering the right pieces but I think value is close. This also assumes a salary cap drop + compliance buyout.
Dubnyk is not a LTIR just put him there assuming Wild waive him to AHL and he doesn't report.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill2990 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Belpedio, Louis2890 000 $
Falkovsky, Stepan2890 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2890 000 $
Menell, Brennan2890 000 $
Robson, Mat2890 000 $
Sturm, Nico2890 000 $
Warner, Hunter2890 000 $
Kunin, Luke33 000 000 $
Montour, Brandon34 250 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson44 250 000 $
Haula, Erik43 000 000 $
Toffoli, Tyler54 800 000 $
Transactions
MIN
    Compliance Buyout
    ANA
    1. Zuccarello, Mats
    MIN
    1. Montour, Brandon [Droits de RFA]
    2. Eichel, Jack
    BUF
    1. Dumba, Matt
    2. Staal, Eric
    3. Boldy, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
    4. Beckman, Adam
    5. 2020 1e round pick (MIN)
    6. 2021 1e round pick (MIN)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2020
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2021
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2278 500 000 $77 786 089 $0 $0 $713 911 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    MIN
    Fiala, Kevin
    3 000 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 6
    Toffoli, Tyler
    4 800 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    990 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    1 487 500 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Kunin, Luke
    3 000 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA
    MIN
    Parise, Zach
    7 538 461 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Haula, Erik
    3 000 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA
    MIN
    Donato, Ryan
    1 900 000 $
    AD, AG, C
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    2 875 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    890 000 $
    C
    RFA
    MIN
    Hartman, Ryan
    1 900 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Rask, Victor
    4 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    7 538 461 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    7 575 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MIN
    Kähkönen, Kaapo
    890 000 $
    G
    RFA
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    4 166 667 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Montour, Brandon
    4 250 000 $
    DD
    RFA
    MIN
    Stalock, Alex
    785 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Soucy, Carson
    4 250 000 $
    D
    UFA
    MIN
    Hunt, Brad
    700 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Pateryn, Greg
    2 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    MIN
    Dubnyk, Devan
    4 333 333 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1

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    28 mar à 3 h 45
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    I dont think Minnesota has the assets to acquire a player of Eichel's caliber without drafting one
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    28 mar à 3 h 52
    #2
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    I'd buy Parise out with the compliance buyout. Saves you from the cap recapture penalty once he inevitably calls it career before his contract runs out.
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    28 mar à 3 h 59
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    I'd buy Parise out with the compliance buyout. Saves you from the cap recapture penalty once he inevitably calls it career before his contract runs out.


    It's a good debate, but Parise is more likely to except a LTIR.
    28 mar à 4 h 02
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I dont think Minnesota has the assets to acquire a player of Eichel's caliber without drafting one


    Kaprizov, Fiala, Brodin, Dumba, plus 4 1sts in the next 3 years. Wild have the assets, but how much are they willing to give up?
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    28 mar à 6 h 48
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    Sabres aren't moving Eichel until after he refuses to re-sign in the last year of his current deal. That said, Sabres don't want or need Dumba and everything listed isn't enough to just get Eichel let alone throwing in Montour. Pathetic effort.
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    28 mar à 7 h 58
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    I dont think Minnesota has the assets to acquire a player of Eichel's caliber without drafting one


    They absolutely do, it's just a matter of determining what's the absolutely most you're comfortable giving up and then give some more.
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    28 mar à 8 h 14
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    Eichel isn’t going anywhere,
    BUT if for some crazy reason the Sabres were to trade him...
    It would have to include an A+ prospect to even start the convo
    Then add multiple 1sts and a good roster player or 2

    I just don’t think Boldy is on that level
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    28 mar à 8 h 37
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    I'd buy Parise out with the compliance buyout. Saves you from the cap recapture penalty once he inevitably calls it career before his contract runs out.


    The recapture on Parise is manageable for MN if he isn't traded. The big numbers only hit if he's traded and MN is locked in at the $20m+ number. He'll get LTIR with his history of back problems. Plus he's better than Zucc. Spurgeon is the one I'd use a compliance buyout on, but that's a different discussion.

    MN could put deal together for Eichel, but it would be a deal that would hurt a Fiala+Kaprizov+JEE type of trade.
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    28 mar à 9 h 03
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    Quoting: cjp2112
    Sabres aren't moving Eichel until after he refuses to re-sign in the last year of his current deal. That said, Sabres don't want or need Dumba and everything listed isn't enough to just get Eichel let alone throwing in Montour. Pathetic effort.


    1 I know sabres are not shopping Eichel. If you could direct your eyes to the team explanation you would understand that.
    2 two A prospects, 2 first round picks and a cheap top 6 center plus a top pair defenseman is a very good offer it may take the addition of 1 of Fiala, or Kaprizov, it would really depend on what other teams were willing to offer, but it is far from a pathetic effort.
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    28 mar à 9 h 10
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Eichel isn’t going anywhere,
    BUT if for some crazy reason the Sabres were to trade him...
    It would have to include an A+ prospect to even start the convo
    Then add multiple 1sts and a good roster player or 2

    I just don’t think Boldy is on that level


    Would really depend on how Sabres viewed Boldy and Beckman, Boldy had a slow start last year but finished up very strong so I suspect his value in most organizations is still high. Ultimately if Eichel did demand a trade it would be a bidding war and the highest bidder would win so it really is impossible to asses his exact value.
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    28 mar à 9 h 45
    #11
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    Yeah sorry not even close for Jack Eichel.
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    28 mar à 19 h 57
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    Quoting: Paul13
    Would really depend on how Sabres viewed Boldy and Beckman, Boldy had a slow start last year but finished up very strong so I suspect his value in most organizations is still high. Ultimately if Eichel did demand a trade it would be a bidding war and the highest bidder would win so it really is impossible to asses his exact value.


    I can’t imagine they’re seen as “A+” prospects
    You’re reaching imo
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    28 mar à 21 h 17
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    I can’t imagine they’re seen as “A+” prospects
    You’re reaching imo


    Yeah it appears I'm off on values all over on this 1.
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    29 mar à 0 h 53
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    This may be closer:
    Eichel, Jack
    for
    Fiala, Kevin Left Wing -- shoots L
    Donato, Ryan Center -- shoots L
    Kunin, Luke Center -- shoots R
    2020 1st round pick (MIN)
    2021 1st round pick (MIN)
    2022 2nd round pick (MIN)

    Montour not included. Take out Dumba's 50 pt season and Dumba > Montour. But I only get to watch Montour and not Dumba that much, but Brandon is really very good.
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    29 mar à 1 h 09
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    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
    This may be closer:
    Eichel, Jack
    for
    Fiala, Kevin Left Wing -- shoots L
    Donato, Ryan Center -- shoots L
    Kunin, Luke Center -- shoots R
    2020 1st round pick (MIN)
    2021 1st round pick (MIN)
    2022 2nd round pick (MIN)

    Montour not included. Take out Dumba's 50 pt season and Dumba > Montour. But I only get to watch Montour and not Dumba that much, but Brandon is really very good.


    That's a deal I could live with.
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    29 mar à 5 h 09
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    Quoting: Paul13
    Yeah it appears I'm off on values all over on this 1.


    To be fair, it’s hard to say
    Guys like Eichel don’t get traded
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    2 avr à 7 h 13
    #17
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    Quoting: Paul13
    1 I know sabres are not shopping Eichel. If you could direct your eyes to the team explanation you would understand that.
    2 two A prospects, 2 first round picks and a cheap top 6 center plus a top pair defenseman is a very good offer it may take the addition of 1 of Fiala, or Kaprizov, it would really depend on what other teams were willing to offer, but it is far from a pathetic effort.


    Staal is old and the Sabres aren't anywhere near going for it so that is a piece they wouldn't need. Only want futures if you're trading Eichel. There would definitely need to be at least 1 A+ can't miss prospect. You could argue Dumba is a downgrade and he's definitely not a definite top 2. Still not close.
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