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Créé par: Random2152

Équipe: 2020-21 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 27 mars 2020

Publié: 27 mars 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I have ZERO idea what other pieces are moving where. It could be that FLA pays due to EDM taking on the longer, bigger contract but Bob could rebound and has only had one down season so they may be able to convince Holland they shouldn't pay.

Just an interesting idea I had.

The retained salary would go down to under 750k against the cap if Neal were to be bought out going by the Phaneuf buyout (with the Sens retaining) So remeber you have ~1M more cap space than the AGM estimates.

I know it is tight to the cap (and assumes the cap is unaffected) but I do not know Oilers contract projection or their prospect pool well enough to properly fill out the roster so take that with a grain of salt. The point of the AGM is the Bob trade as an idea. What are your thought Oilers fans?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Bear, Ethan		2	3 000 000 $
Athanasiou, Andreas		2	3 675 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler		2	1 600 000 $
Gagner, Sam		1	700 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Cannon, Fodder		1	700 000 $

Transactions

EDM

FLA

Neal, James (1 750 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

FLA buys out Neal, Cap hit against the Oilers goes down to ~725k

EDM

OTT

Chiasson, Alex
Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

Rachats de contrats

Andrej Sekera: 2 500 000 $
Benoit Pouliot: 1 333 333 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (12.5%)
James Neal: 1 750 000 $ (0%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	84 500 000 $	85 111 032 $	341 534 $	230 000 $	-611 032 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Ennis, Tyler 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C UFA - 6	Kassian, Zack 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 4
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 5	Yamamoto, Kailer 894 166 $894 166 $ (230 000 $$230K) AD RFA - 1
Benson, Tyler 808 333 $808 333 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Athanasiou, Andreas 3 675 000 $3 675 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Archibald, Josh 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Nygård, Joakim 875 000 $875 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Khaira, Jujhar 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Gagner, Sam 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 5 600 000 $5 600 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Bear, Ethan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Bobrovsky, Sergei 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ G NMC UFA - 6
Klefbom, Oscar 4 167 000 $4 167 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Larsson, Adam 4 166 666 $4 166 666 $ DD UFA - 1	Koskinen, Mikko 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Jones, Caleb 850 000 $850 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Russell, Kris 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Cannon, Fodder 700 000 $700 000 $

27 mars 2020 à 2 h 36

aadoyle

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I would not trade for Bob that contract was a huge mistake. He should have stayed with Columbus and signed for less

27 mars 2020 à 2 h 38

Wqrrior

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Decent idea. I would structure it differently though.

Bob with retention and (lesser prospect than Noel) for Koskinen and Neal with retention. FLA will still need a goalie, and EDM won't want two guys in the overpay boat. Koskinen's value is more 0 than negative, but Bob's retention (about 500k) would cost the prospect downgrade. Ownership might be against retention, but that's probably the only way that contract gets moved.

For the sake of this thread, I ignored all movement and trade clauses.

Why the Chiasson payment? He remains a viable bottom 6 option for most teams, and anyone not in a cap lock might be interested in what he offers. You shouldn't have to pay to move him.

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27 mars 2020 à 2 h 59

Random2152

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Disagree on Chiasson but that's small fries.

FLA is rumoured to want to cut down 10mil in payroll, so I don't think adding Mikko is within their budget. Noel had a poor d+1 season so they may see him as expendable and being able to lose that much salary might make a ton of sense for Fla, especially if Bob doesn't bounce back. If he does, EDM make out like bandits.

So while I am fully aware other pieces might be moving in this trade, I don't think it is the ones you suggest with ret on Florida's part

27 mars 2020 à 3 h 29

Wqrrior

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Quoting: Random2152

I'm aware of the paycuts, but the buyout spreads that salary, especially if Neal's short term retention exceeds Bob's. There would be a decent difference - consider further that it's likely that one/both of Hoffman and Dadanov won't return. However, in this case it would be EDM, not FLA that remains not willing. I can't see them considering Bob unless Koskinen is involved in some way.

27 mars 2020 à 4 h 2

Random2152

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I don't know. The potential upside is insane for EDM here. A resurgent Bob, even for a handful of seasons plus Noel for a cap dump is insane value. Looking at Florida's AGM they need as much money as possible open so they can ice a competitive roster within their budget so I'd imagine that if this were not enough then non salary pieces would be moved.

Maybe something conditional. Like if Bob doesn't rebound EDM gets a pick or two but if he does Fla gets a pick

27 mars 2020 à 8 h 24

CD282

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I don't think you've been paying attention. Of the 30 goalies that played in at least 35 games this year, Koskinen's Sv% ranks 6th. All of the 5 goalies ahead of him will make substantially more than his $4.5M next season. Thats a value contract, no way would Holland downgrade his goaltending AND take on that huge cap-killing contract for the dubious benefit of paying Neal $750k for the next 6 year to not play for the Oilers.

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27 mars 2020 à 8 h 28

CD282

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Quoting: Random2152

It a HUGE risk with a tiny reward. Over the past 2 seasons Bob has posted a .907 Sv% while Koskinen has posted a .911 Sv%. I don't see any upside here.

Bob will be 32 at the next training camp and has 6 more years with a $10M cap hit. Nobody has any interest in taking that on.

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27 mars 2020 à 9 h 40

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Quoting: CD282

Agreed. He may revert back to Bob of old which would be amazing but if we were all betting men, what would those odds be? IMO not very good. Even if he did miraculously put up vezina numbers his first year, how long do you think he would sustain it for? Once again, not very long IMO.

I simply would not risk this. Not worth the potential reward as the risk heavily outweighs the reward here.

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