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Créé par: Wqrrior
Équipe: 2020-21 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 25 mars 2020
Publié: 25 mars 2020
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    Big part of this team, but his cap closes more doors than it opens
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    Kyrou has no place to thrive on the Blues, and the Blues will need left side defense support. With the proper pairing, both prospects could thrive, but not on their current teams
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    25 mars 2020 à 3 h 58
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    Huge, monstrous Godzilla-esque hellsno on the Kyrou nonsense. Not at all sure how you get the notion he won't have a place to thrive on the Blues, and even if we were to trade him, Cholowski is not near fair return value. No way. We also have zero use for Peca (talk about guys who would have no place to play on the Blues), so that's another huge no.

    On the other hand, I absolutely love the idea of plucking LaDue from the bargain bin. That guy is seriously underrated by the idiot Kings. So a massive thumbs up on that one.
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    25 mars 2020 à 4 h 25
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    It makes no sense for the Wings as well. Cholowski is a LD some thing a lot of teams are looking for and you're trading him for a winger which is the one position doesn't need to address right away. Kyrou and Cholowski are in the same draft class about 15 picks apart. Cholowski has played 88 games and has 24 points and Kyrou has played 44 games and has 12 points. This trade doesn't really make sense for either team.
    25 mars 2020 à 11 h 14
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    How have you reached the conclusion that Kyrou does not have a place to thrive on the Blues?
    25 mars 2020 à 11 h 33
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    Quoting: TheEarthmaster
    How have you reached the conclusion that Kyrou does not have a place to thrive on the Blues?


    You mean your mind isn't made up on a 21-yr old 2nd year pro after playing 10 min per night in 44 GP, mostly in the bottom six of a defense-oriented team? happy
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    25 mars 2020 à 11 h 43
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    You mean your mind isn't made up on a 21-yr old 2nd year pro after playing 10 min per night in 44 GP, mostly in the bottom six of a defense-oriented team? happy


    After coming off a severe knee injury too, and getting two goals called back? Yeah let's call it on this kid, who needs dynamic offensive talents anyway? /s
    25 mars 2020 à 12 h 35
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    Quoting: TheEarthmaster
    How have you reached the conclusion that Kyrou does not have a place to thrive on the Blues?


    Look at that right wing.... it's a choice between him and Kostin.
    25 mars 2020 à 12 h 54
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    Look at that right wing.... it's a choice between him and Kostin.


    I've seen Kostin play LW and RW in the AHL. Besides, he is no where close to a lock on a top-9 spot. Perron is better on the RW but can play either wing. Kyrou shouldn't really be roadblocked - he has elements to his game that the Blues could really put to use, and he's super cheap on his ELC.

    If trading Kyrou must happen, I'd at least want someone with more upside than Cholowski. If trading a RW must happen, I'd rather it be Kostin than Kyrou. Foot speed is becoming more and more important.
    25 mars 2020 à 13 h 5
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    Quoting: A_K
    I've seen Kostin play LW and RW in the AHL. Besides, he is no where close to a lock on a top-9 spot. Perron is better on the RW but can play either wing. Kyrou shouldn't really be roadblocked - he has elements to his game that the Blues could really put to use, and he's super cheap on his ELC.

    If trading Kyrou must happen, I'd at least want someone with more upside than Cholowski. If trading a RW must happen, I'd rather it be Kostin than Kyrou. Foot speed is becoming more and more important.


    So you are stating that a Kyrou linear swap is less likely than Kostin. Cholowski has top 4 upside certainly, especially if paired with somebody like Parayko. Who would you be thinking as a more fair linear swap for Kostin?
    25 mars 2020 à 13 h 22
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    So you are stating that a Kyrou linear swap is less likely than Kostin. Cholowski has top 4 upside certainly, especially if paired with somebody like Parayko. Who would you be thinking as a more fair linear swap for Kostin?


    Yeah personally I think Kostin should be traded before Kyrou. It's hard to say who a good swap for Kostin would be... I like Thrun and Mahura from ANA but I think they have a lot of wingers vs d-men in their system. I like Lassi Thomson and JBD but they're RH shots.

    Tbh I'm not really convinced that LD is as big of a hole as it looks. Obviously it depends on what happens with Pietrangelo (and Scandella) or the cap space related to their signing, but there are some guys internally - Perunovich, Mikkola, Reinke - that can get some looks before it's time to make a linear swap IMO. Longer term, though, finding a stud defenseman prospect is a big need. I just don't think it's pressing right now.
    25 mars 2020 à 14 h 24
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    Modifié 25 mars 2020 à 14 h 31
    Quoting: Wqrrior
    Look at that right wing.... it's a choice between him and Kostin.


    It's not, but even if it was Kostin should absolutely go first. He only recently became pretty good at the AHL level. Kyrou has been an elite talent at every level he's played at except the NHL so far, and he hasn't exactly been bad there either. Why rush Kostin into a third line wing position when we've got someone who can for sure play there already?

    But, yes, as @A_K has said, Kostin can play left (he's actually left handed so that would make more sense- for some reason it seems like a lot of Russian players like Tarasenko, Kucherov, Panarin play their off hand). Perron has also played a lot of left. Blais came up as a righty and converted to left. Schenn meanwhile was on the right of O'Reilly for awhile this season. Handedness isn't as big of a deal in forwards as it is in defensemen, it becomes a problem when they can't stick on a consistent side (an issue I think we're going to have with Blais if he doesn't get to settle down in a spot).

    It's also a long term play though- we're losing at least two forwards after next year (Steen and Bozak), maybe Schwartz as well if he wants a lot of money and an additional roster player in the expansion draft (who is hopefully named Justin Faulk but could be Perron or Sanford). Having Kyrou around makes losing those guys more manageable and all that roster turnover gives him a lot of places to stick.

    An ideal lineup after next year I think would look like:

    Perron-O'Reilly-Tarasenko
    Sanford-Thomas-Kyrou
    Blais-Schenn-Kostin
    MacEachern-Barbashev-Sundqvist

    If you can retain Schwartz he can mix in the top nine, probably on Schenn's line somewhere, shift Blais or Kostin down and take MacEachern out, but that's a very good forward core. So just make it work for next year. Kostin spending some more time in the AHL probably isn't the worst thing, but also MacEachern doesn't need to be an everyday player (even though I think he's very good) so there's a fourth line spot open too if you have to have him the NHL. Looking at how Berube managed Thomas and Kyrou, Kostin will probably alternate in and out of the lineup anyway his rookie season.

    I share your LHD concern, but that would be mitigated a lot by re-signing Pietrangelo (who can carry a lesser partner on the left if needed), signing Perunovich and having Mikkola and Walman to a lesser extent take the next steps. As a last resort, good veteran LHD are also decently cheap (cheaper than losing a player like Kyrou) and easy to find. Look at Scandella and Gunnarsson. And again, with the expansion draft and having Pietrangelo, Parayko and Dunn, Cholowski would almost certainly be exposed and if he's taken, was one year of him worth the career Detroit probably gets out of Kyrou? Maybe, if we win another cup, but nothing's guaranteed there and you gotta balance present and future to stay competitive long term.
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