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Real top 5 every position

Créé par: Jack_
Date de création initiale: mar 23, 2020
Publié: 23 mar 2020 à 14 h 31
Équipe: 2019-20 Équipe du client
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
3081 500 000 $196 012 485 $0 $5 850 000 $-114 512 485 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 7
EDM
McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $
C
UFA - 7
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 8
BOS
Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
6 300 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
VGK
Stone, Mark
9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 8
WSH
Ovechkin, Alex
9 538 462 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
8 700 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Pastrnak, David
6 666 667 $
AD
UFA - 4
ARI
Hall, Taylor
3 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
CHI
Kane, Patrick
10 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 4
FLA
Huberdeau, Jonathan
5 900 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 7
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
5 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
6 166 666 $
G
UFA - 5
NSH
Josi, Roman
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
STL
Pietrangelo, Alex
6 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
VGK
Lehner, Robin
1 400 000 $
G
UFA - 1
CAR
Slavin, Jaccob
5 300 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
5 187 500 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 1
ANA
Gibson, John
6 400 000 $
G
UFA - 8
DAL
Heiskanen, Miro
894 166 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
WSH
Carlson, John
8 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 7
VAN
Markström, Jacob
3 666 667 $
G
UFA - 1
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
916 667 $
DG
RFA - 2
COL
Makar, Cale
880 833 $
DD
UFA - 2
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
675 000 $
G
UFA - 1

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23 mar 2020 à 14 h 33
#1
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Vasy should be here
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 34
#2
I hate this team
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Marchand>ovi is bullshat
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 34
#3
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You misspelled DRAISAITL.
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23 mar 2020 à 14 h 39
#4
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Quoting: Teemu_salami
Vasy should be here


Quoting: Nohate
Marchand>ovi is bullshat


Quoting: CD282
You misspelled DRAISAITL.


The top 5 at each position of you only use advanced stats is more accurate.... is this the same guy who rates Justin Holl over Seth Jones.
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 40
#5
Always Next Year
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Rielly > Heiskanen
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 40
#6
Always Next Year
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Rielly > Heiskanen


Seth Jones > Jared Spurgeon
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 42
#7
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Quoting: Teemu_salami
Vasy should be here


His GSAx is not great. Hes the beneficiary of being on a good team, hes good but not top 5 good
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 42
#8
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Seth Jones > Jared Spurgeon


Not even close
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23 mar 2020 à 14 h 42
#9
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Rielly > Heiskanen


Still no
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23 mar 2020 à 14 h 44
#10
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Quoting: CD282
You misspelled DRAISAITL.


At what position? I wasnt sure where to put him. If Hes a RW'er then hes on this list instead of marner. If hes a LW'er hes on here instead of hall or huberdeau. I dont know which side he plays most
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 44
#11
25th coming up
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So, Jarry had a solid run for 30 games and is now a top 5 goalie in the league?

That's way too early of a call, you need proven seasons to call a goalie top 5. Literally most NHL goalies go through a similarly good run at just above .920%at some point in their careers.

Personally, I'd have
1. Vasilevsky
2. Price
3. Rask
3. Hellebuyck
5. Gibson
6. Rinne / Bobrovsky
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 44
#12
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Quoting: Nohate
Marchand>ovi is bullshat


Marchand is top 5 in the nhl in GAR and xGAR. He should be in hart conversation
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23 mar 2020 à 14 h 49
#13
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Quoting: Ajp_18
The top 5 at each position of you only use advanced stats is more accurate.... is this the same guy who rates Justin Holl over Seth Jones.


Purely basing it off GAR justin holl and seth Jones have produced the same amount of goals this season. My point was never that holl is better then Jones. He obviously isnt but my point was to prove that the people on this site primarily use the pure outcomes of what happen instead of what should have happened. By that logic holl is just as good as jones (he isnt).
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 54
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Quoting: Jack_
Purely basing it off GAR justin holl and seth Jones have produced the same amount of goals this season. My point was never that holl is better then Jones. He obviously isnt but my point was to prove that the people on this site primarily use the pure outcomes of what happen instead of what should have happened. By that logic holl is just as good as jones (he isnt).


My point exactly.... Jones is better then you give him credit for... Holl is good, but by your advanced stats Jones shouldn’t be a top 4 defenseman in the NHL where as Spergeron is a number 1? Spergeron isn’t even the best defenseman on his own team he gets to free wheel all over the ice because Suter is so good defensively he makes up for Spergeron.
23 mar 2020 à 14 h 55
#15
Sam
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I kinda like this
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23 mar 2020 à 15 h 02
#16
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Quoting: Ajp_18
My point exactly.... Jones is better then you give him credit for... Holl is good, but by your advanced stats Jones shouldn’t be a top 4 defenseman in the NHL where as Spergeron is a number 1? Spergeron isn’t even the best defenseman on his own team he gets to free wheel all over the ice because Suter is so good defensively he makes up for Spergeron.


You are extremely under rating spurgeon. Hes by far the best on his team. That goes without saying hes way better then Jones and it isnt close
My point about holl being better then Jones was that people on here only look at results instead of what should have happened. Just like I said in my last reply. It was to prove that the results and the skill that people see can be wrong and they should be looking at expected goals more then just points and ordinary counting stats. I wasnt trying to prove that holl was better because it's not true. Holl has had a better season but he isnt better. Part of it was me pointing out that Jones' is slightly overrated and his xG numbers arent earthshattering but hes better then holl
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 10
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Quoting: Jack_
You are extremely under rating spurgeon. Hes by far the best on his team. That goes without saying hes way better then Jones and it isnt close
My point about holl being better then Jones was that people on here only look at results instead of what should have happened. Just like I said in my last reply. It was to prove that the results and the skill that people see can be wrong and they should be looking at expected goals more then just points and ordinary counting stats. I wasnt trying to prove that holl was better because it's not true. Holl has had a better season but he isnt better. Part of it was me pointing out that Jones' is slightly overrated and his xG numbers arent earthshattering but hes better then holl


Thanks for proving my point that this is built solely on advanced stats..... and that you blindly follow them.
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 16
#18
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Wheeler>marner
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 16
#19
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Thanks for proving my point that this is built solely on advanced stats..... and that you blindly follow them.


I dont understand what you mean at all. I also think you dont get what im saying either. I'm saying that people cherry pick stats and only look at results to prove their point. Holl vs Jones was just an example. That also tied into a different point of Jones being overrated but that wasnt my main point. Stats describe what happened during the game. We need them because our eyes lie to us.
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 19
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Quoting: Jack_
At what position? I wasnt sure where to put him. If Hes a RW'er then hes on this list instead of marner. If hes a LW'er hes on here instead of hall or huberdeau. I dont know which side he plays most


He plays center the most. He's 15th in the league in total faceoffs over the past 3 years.
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 19
#21
Ragsandbluesfan
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Ryan suter is still top 5
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 24
#22
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No need to bicker over little changes here and there. Let's all come together in disagreement to putting Jarry as a top-5 goaltender in the league for a 33-game performance. Replace him with one of Tuukka Rask, Andrei Vasilevskiy, Darcy Kuemper, Aantti Raanta, Ben Bishop, Jaro Halak, and even the #1 sv% goalie right now (Anton Khudobin).
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 27
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Quoting: Jack_
I dont understand what you mean at all. I also think you dont get what im saying either. I'm saying that people cherry pick stats and only look at results to prove their point. Holl vs Jones was just an example. That also tied into a different point of Jones being overrated but that wasnt my main point. Stats describe what happened during the game. We need them because our eyes lie to us.


Our eyes lie to us... that’s funny. Blindly flowing stats is funny to. You need a mix of both if you really truly want to find the best players.
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 32
#24
Jeuck75
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YES, thank you... The other guy didn't even include Josi. I would add Vasilevskiy and Bishop though
23 mar 2020 à 15 h 32
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I would also add Drasaitl
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