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Date de création initiale: 20 mars 2020
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Someone told me I could try trading Letang for a big return. Obviously I don't see this happening but let me try it.
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    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 36
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    There is no reason to trade Letang and Zero chance it happens. Don’t really get why people still have that thought... It really is quite stupid. Letang haters are just nuts. Who replaces his minutes? And DeMelo and Marino, although nice 2nd pairing Dmen, are not top pairing like Letang. Letang is a huge part of the success Sid and Geno have when their lines play in from of him. Marner is nice but the salary cap won’t allow that for now...unless Geno goes back to mother Russia in a couple years...which I don’t think will happen.
    Also highly unlikely Hörnqvist waives to go to Calgary of all places...no offense calgary.
    Murray will be traded at some point unless he takes a small short term deal.
    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 43
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    Letang haters are just nuts. Who replaces his minutes? And DeMelo and Marino, although nice 2nd pairing Dmen, are not top pairing like Letang. Letang is a huge part of the success Sid and Geno have when their lines play in from of him. Marner is nice but the salary cap won’t allow that for now...unless Geno goes back to mother Russia in a couple years...which I don’t think will happen.


    I was just gonna tag you to ask what you think. I agree, Letang’s execution & chemistry with Sid & Geno are unmistakable. I am a big fan of Letang & don’t want to trade him at all, I just had to try something different than my usual Marner for Hornqvist trades.
    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 47
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I was just gonna tag you to ask what you think. I agree, Letang’s execution & chemistry with Sid & Geno are unmistakable. I am a big fan of Letang & don’t want to trade him at all, I just had to try something different than my usual Marner for Hornqvist trades.


    You’ll never give up trying to get the perfect MM deal...lol reminds me of “Mikey the pens fan”...
    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 51
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    Quoting: Pens3lieve
    You’ll never give up trying to get the perfect MM deal...lol reminds me of “Mikey the pens fan”...


    Well, I love me some Mitch Marner.
    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 55
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    Aging defenseman and 3rd is not even close to enough for Marner
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    Obviously I traded for Marner again, but what’d you think of this team?

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    20 mars 2020 à 15 h 57
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    Quoting: SammyT_51
    Aging defenseman and 3rd is not even close to enough for Marner


    Come on man, Letang isn’t as quick or physical compared to in his prime but he’s still a very capable first pairing defenseman. This is a steal for Toronto.
    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 3
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    pass on Hörnqvist, Avs are not in the market to be trading young assets for mid 30 year old players.
    He doesnt fit their mold or identity enough for them to move on from Jost
    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 8
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    pass on Hörnqvist, Avs are not in the market to be trading young assets for mid 30 year old players.
    He doesnt fit their mold or identity enough for them to move on from Jost


    But Hornqvist would be a great fit for any cup contending team. He’s the exact type of player that you win with. He works hard, goes into the dirty area & battles. Plays with an edge & just parks himself in the blue paint generating lots of space. Jost doesn’t have much value cuz he’s a reclamation project, so this is a win for the Avs.
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    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 14
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    But Hornqvist would be a great fit for any cup contending team. He’s the exact type of player that you win with. He works hard, goes into the dirty area & battles. Plays with an edge & just parks himself in the blue paint generating lots of space. Jost doesn’t have much value cuz he’s a reclamation project, so this is a win for the Avs.


    Hornqvist would be a nice add
    How you described Hornqvist, Jost does a lot of those same things. Plays a feisty game, forechecks, battles , just doesnt have points to show for it. 5.3m for 4 more years at 33 already, the contract could be a grenade for a team that is going to be up against the cap very shortly. Jost still gives them some cost certainty.

    Hornqvist would be a decent add, but dont think Jost is a guy they would want to move him for. Like you said Jost doesnt have much perceived value, but IMO that Avs are not willing to give up on so quickly, hes 22 years old. IF they do move him, I believe it will be part of a bigger deal that they are getting a younger Wigner back, not a guy at the end of his career

    They could just go after Erik Haula in UFA or resign Namestnikov and still keep Jost instead of trading for Hornqvist. ITs not that tempting of a move
    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 28
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    Problem is Letang is on the wrong side of 30 with injury concerns and Hornquist is a great net presence but he is slow and the game is getting quicker. Really, a 1 dimensional player
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    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 35
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    If I were Rutherford I would do this without pause.

    If I were Torinto I would not touch this with a 3 meter pole.
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    20 mars 2020 à 16 h 54
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    If I were Rutherford I would do this without pause.

    If I were Torinto I would not touch this with a 3 meter pole.



    Scenerio: Lets say Colorado called offered a 1st and Makar for Marner that would be a yes, Letang and and a third for marner with salary retained, dubas hangs phone laughs walks away. See the difference lul toronto takes the first trade but that proposed trade makes national news just for laughs
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    Quoting: coga16
    Hornqvist would be a nice add
    How you described Hornqvist, Jost does a lot of those same things. Plays a feisty game, forechecks, battles , just doesnt have points to show for it. 5.3m for 4 more years at 33 already, the contract could be a grenade for a team that is going to be up against the cap very shortly. Jost still gives them some cost certainty.

    Hornqvist would be a decent add, but dont think Jost is a guy they would want to move him for. Like you said Jost doesnt have much perceived value, but IMO that Avs are not willing to give up on so quickly, hes 22 years old. IF they do move him, I believe it will be part of a bigger deal that they are getting a younger Wigner back, not a guy at the end of his career

    They could just go after Erik Haula in UFA or resign Namestnikov and still keep Jost instead of trading for Hornqvist. ITs not that tempting of a move


    You have a point but Pens are retaining 1.8 of Hornqvist salary so you’re only paying 3.5. With the cap going up the next few seasons, that’s not much at all.
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    20 mars 2020 à 17 h 0
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    Problem is Letang is on the is wrong side of 30 with injury concerns and Hornquist is a great net presence but he is slow and the game is getting quicker. Really, a 1 dimensional player


    Yes Hornqvist is a poor skater & puck handler but he’s far from a one dimensional player. He still scores goals & creates space with his checking.
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    Quoting: Yojimbo
    If I were Rutherford I would do this without pause.

    If I were Torinto I would not touch this with a 3 meter pole.


    Yikes you don’t like Letang I see.
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    20 mars 2020 à 17 h 2
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    Scenerio: Lets say Colorado called offered a 1st and Makar for Marner that would be a yes, Letang and and a third for marner with salary retained, dubas hangs phone laughs walks away. See the difference lul toronto takes the first trade but that proposed trade makes national news just for laughs


    Colorado will not trade Makar for Marner 1 for 1.
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    Problem is Letang is on the wrong side of 30 with injury concerns and Hornquist is a great net presence but he is slow and the game is getting quicker. Really, a 1 dimensional player


    Hornqvist is the heart and soul of the Penguins. Not Crosby, not Malkin. Crosby might be the super skill guy with the heart of a warrior, but Hornqvist IS a warrior. Other than Lemieux and Guerin, possibly the only (ever) teammate that Crosby stops and listens to.
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    Yikes you don’t like Letang I see.


    I don't think it has anything to do with liking or not liking Letang. Marner is 22 and Letang is 32.
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    You have a point but Pens are retaining 1.8 of Hornqvist salary so you’re only paying 3.5. With the cap going up the next few seasons, that’s not much at all.


    didnt notice the salary retention,

    Regardless, they have guys already that fit that role that they like, I just dont see a huge desire to do the move. Its not a big enough game changer IMO to their middle 6 when they have lots of guys that provide that type of impact, Kadri, Namestnikov, Donskoi, Burakovsky, Compher...plus they really like Kaut, eventually you just are too full int he middle 6. Nichushkin wouldnt even get a top 9 role in this scenario and hes been great
    20 mars 2020 à 17 h 26
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    Quoting: Yojimbo
    Hornqvist is the heart and soul of the Penguins. Not Crosby, not Malkin. Crosby might be the super skill guy with the heart of a warrior, but Hornqvist IS a warrior. Other than Lemieux and Guerin, possibly the only (ever) teammate that Crosby stops and listens to.


    I agree with your analysis of Hornqvist, but I don’t think Sid listens to him. Sid’s repeatedly asked the coach to take Horny off his line cuz he’s not a good skater, puck handler or play driver. Horny would still be playing with Geno if it wasn’t for the emergence of Rust.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    I don't think it has anything to do with liking or not liking Letang. Marner is 22 and Letang is 32.


    Yeah but Letang is still a very capable top pair defenseman.
    20 mars 2020 à 17 h 27
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    Quoting: coga16
    didnt notice the salary retention,

    Regardless, they have guys already that fit that role that they like, I just dont see a huge desire to do the move. Its not a big enough game changer IMO to their middle 6 when they have lots of guys that provide that type of impact, Kadri, Namestnikov, Donskoi, Burakovsky, Compher...plus they really like Kaut, eventually you just are too full int he middle 6. Nichushkin wouldnt even get a top 9 role in this scenario and hes been great


    I guess you’re right. Do you know any teams that could like Hornqvist? Possibly St. Louis?
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    I guess you’re right. Do you know any teams that could like Hornqvist? Possibly St. Louis?


    I think lots of team would...Edmonton still comes to mind for me. Chiasson for Hornqvist could maybe make some sense if you workshopped the pieces around to balance it out?
    I wouldnt hate Hornqvist on the Avs at the right price but they just dont have the roster space to add him, and it would sort of a move just to make a move
    20 mars 2020 à 17 h 57
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I agree with your analysis of Hornqvist, but I don’t think Sid listens to him. Sid’s repeatedly asked the coach to take Horny off his line cuz he’s not a good skater, puck handler or play driver. Horny would still be playing with Geno if it wasn’t for the emergence of Rust.


    Not being a mesh on the ice has nothing to do with what I said. I can (as close as anyone not Crosby can) guarantee you that if Hornqvist says, "you know what I think?" Crosby turns to Hornqvist and listens.
     
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