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Russian Roulette

Créé par: BLIvingston33
Date de création initiale: mar 10, 2020
Publié: Mar 10 at 10:49 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill2925 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Kunin, Luke32 500 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2900 000 $
Sturm, Nico1875 000 $
Belpedio, Louis2900 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson43 000 000 $
CRÉÉANNÉESCAP HIT
Grigorenko, Mikhail33 500 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. 2021 5e round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Greenway, Jordan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Mayhew, Gerald
MIN
  1. Radulov, Alexander
DAL
  1. Zuccarello, Mats (1 000 000 $ retained)
MIN
  1. 2021 4e round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Pateryn, Greg
Rachats de contrats
  • Devan Dubnyk: 2 666 666 $
  • Victor Rask: 1 333 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Mats Zuccarello: 1 000 000 $ (16,67%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
PHI
MIN
WSH
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2284 500 000 $75 142 754 $0 $190 000 $9 357 246 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 000 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
7 800 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
Grigorenko, Mikhail
3 500 000 $
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
1 487 500 $
C
RFA - 1
DAL
Radulov, Alexander
6 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Khovanov, Alexander
842 500 $
C
RFA - 2
MIN
Kunin, Luke
2 500 000 $
AD, C
RFA
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
900 000 $
G
RFA
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
4 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 1
MIN
Belpedio, Louis
900 000 $
DD
RFA
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Soucy, Carson
3 000 000 $
D
UFA
MIN
Addison, Calen
809 166 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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10 mar à 22 h 56
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You are completely delusional if you think Washington would consider this trade. Kuznetzov have been a elite centerman for the past 5 season and is still under 30. It will cost a lot more then a enigmatic dumba and a third line players to acquire him
10 mar à 23 h 01
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Quoting: Sebybbq
You are completely delusional if you think Washington would consider this trade. Kuznetzov have been a elite centerman for the past 5 season and is still under 30. It will cost a lot more then a enigmatic dumba and a third line players to acquire him


Just messing around but a Caps fan did say on here that it would probably take something in this ballpark. He’s not elite either, but he is a 1C.
10 mar à 23 h 18
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Just messing around but a Caps fan did say on here that it would probably take something in this ballpark. He’s not elite either, but he is a 1C.

You know that he as been the 10 most prolific centerman over the last 5 season? How this is not elite? He average almost a ppg in that spend that pretty damn elite.
10 mar à 23 h 41
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Quoting: Sebybbq
You know that he as been the 10 most prolific centerman over the last 5 season? How this is not elite? He average almost a ppg in that spend that pretty damn elite.


There are about 20-25 centers in the league that I'd consider elite. He's not one of them. He's a very good 1C. Also top 10? He's not better than McDavid, Matthews, Crosby, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Bergeron, Malkin, Aho, Eichel, Schiefele, Point, Seguin, Petterson, Tavares. That already puts him outside the top 15.
11 mar à 0 h 01
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
There are about 20-25 centers in the league that I'd consider elite. He's not one of them. He's a very good 1C. Also top 10? He's not better than McDavid, Matthews, Crosby, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Bergeron, Malkin, Aho, Eichel, Schiefele, Point, Seguin, Petterson, Tavares. That already puts him outside the top 15.


Zibanejad ^
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11 mar à 0 h 10
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
There are about 20-25 centers in the league that I'd consider elite. He's not one of them. He's a very good 1C. Also top 10? He's not better than McDavid, Matthews, Crosby, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Bergeron, Malkin, Aho, Eichel, Schiefele, Point, Seguin, Petterson, Tavares. That already puts him outside the top 15.


Last 5 season he is the ten more productive centerman. That a fact, i didn’t make this. You might not consider him as elite but he sure is there with all those players you mentioned. And it will take a better offer from Minnesota to even consider listening to offer for kuznetzov
11 mar à 0 h 20
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
Zibanejad ^


He's right up there too
11 mar à 8 h 35
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I get the concept you're going for, but zero chance Khovanov is in the NHL next year. Guerin will make him earn his roster spot in Iowa first to develop him.
11 mar à 8 h 41
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Quoting: JayTea
I get the concept you're going for, but zero chance Khovanov is in the NHL next year. Guerin will make him earn his roster spot in Iowa first to develop him.


I wouldn't say a 0 chance, but the kid would have to have a hell of a camp to make the team. He probably belongs in the AHL for a bit, being good in his draft year+2 in the Q doesn't mean much.
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11 mar à 8 h 44
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For the trade Mayhew has zero value, he's not an NHL player. If WSH wants him grab him off of waivers next season. Not sure why WSH even does this trade. It doesn't save them any cap, heck Dumba+Greenway ($2m bridge deal) should cost more than Kuznetsov.

Edit* Grigorenko isn't a NHL player. Addison isn't close the NHL ready.

Why does anyone give up a 4th for Pateryn? He's a dime a dozen 3rd pair d-man that can be gotten as a UFA.

Buying out Dub and Rask isn't smart cap management. They aren't hurting anything on the roster or sending them to the AHL, and it saves on future dead cap.
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11 mar à 8 h 47
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Quoting: wabit
I wouldn't say a 0 chance, but the kid would have to have a hell of a camp to make the team. He probably belongs in the AHL for a bit, being good in his draft year+2 in the Q doesn't mean much.


1% chance? smile

They're going to be tight for roster space unless they make a bunch of trades and I think they'll give him a 9 game trial run but he'll spend most of the year in Iowa. CHL stats don't guarantee NHL success as you said. If they did, Sokolov would be the goal scorer the Wild have needed.
11 mar à 8 h 52
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Quoting: JayTea
1% chance? smile

They're going to be tight for roster space unless they make a bunch of trades and I think they'll give him a 9 game trial run but he'll spend most of the year in Iowa. CHL stats don't guarantee NHL success as you said. If they did, Sokolov would be the goal scorer the Wild have needed.


I don't think they'll be tight on roster space. Nobody outside of Strum for FWDs in the AHL should get a shot. Koivu might? be back on a cheap deal, but I still think he retires. Menell and Belpedio are the question marks for waivers and the NHL roster. Although I do think Hunt has run his course here and he'll be sent though waivers next season.
11 mar à 10 h 13
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Quoting: wabit
I don't think they'll be tight on roster space. Nobody outside of Strum for FWDs in the AHL should get a shot. Koivu might? be back on a cheap deal, but I still think he retires. Menell and Belpedio are the question marks for waivers and the NHL roster. Although I do think Hunt has run his course here and he'll be sent though waivers next season.


Lines can change, but without moving someone out:
Kaprizov/Staal/Fiala
Parise/Top 6 center they acquire/Zuccarello
Greenway/Ek/Kunin
Foligno/Sturm/Hartman

Rask either gets comfortable in the press box or is bought out. They'll want another depth forward to join him. Maybe they move Ek up to 2C and keep Galchenyuk on a cheap 1 year trial to see if he can succeed as a center since he hasn't been bad lately. Defense is a logjam as you mentioned, might be time for some guys to go to give guys like Menell or Belpedio a look.

I'm sure Guerin will want to make changes since he's had time to figure out what he has to work with and this is his first full off-season.
11 mar à 10 h 30
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Quoting: JayTea
Lines can change, but without moving someone out:
Kaprizov/Staal/Fiala
Parise/Top 6 center they acquire/Zuccarello
Greenway/Ek/Kunin
Foligno/Sturm/Hartman

Rask either gets comfortable in the press box or is bought out. They'll want another depth forward to join him. Maybe they move Ek up to 2C and keep Galchenyuk on a cheap 1 year trial to see if he can succeed as a center since he hasn't been bad lately. Defense is a logjam as you mentioned, might be time for some guys to go to give guys like Menell or Belpedio a look.

I'm sure Guerin will want to make changes since he's had time to figure out what he has to work with and this is his first full off-season.


JEE has been playing the 2C role for most of the season. Rask is better than people give him credit for and fine in a bottom-6 role. He should have been there over Koivu since Koivu's return injury. Zucc is a 3rd liner (at best).

Top 6:
(pick a LW)/Staal/Fiala
Kaprizov/JEE/Kunin
11 mar à 10 h 37
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Quoting: wabit
JEE has been playing the 2C role for most of the season. Rask is better than people give him credit for and fine in a bottom-6 role. He should have been there over Koivu since Koivu's return injury. Zucc is a 3rd liner (at best).

Top 6:
(pick a LW)/Staal/Fiala
Kaprizov/JEE/Kunin


Rask has been good the way Prosser was always good: he's a solid injury fill-in that can be plugged in without playing much and he'll be fine. I don't really think he should be bought out unless they need the cap space for some huge deal. Pretty unlikely and I'd just keep him around to keep doing what he's been doing this year.
11 mar à 10 h 43
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Quoting: JayTea
Rask has been good the way Prosser was always good: he's a solid injury fill-in that can be plugged in without playing much and he'll be fine. I don't really think he should be bought out unless they need the cap space for some huge deal. Pretty unlikely and I'd just keep him around to keep doing what he's been doing this year.


As long as Mayhew doesn't ever see the NHL ice again I'll be happy. JT Brown was more useful than him.
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11 mar à 10 h 45
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Quoting: wabit
As long as Mayhew doesn't ever see the NHL ice again I'll be happy. JT Brown was more useful than him.


I only caught 2 games he was in and didn't notice him in them. It was worth trying him given his AHL scoring touch, but much like people have said about Bracco, some guys just can't take the next step.
11 mar à 10 h 49
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Quoting: JayTea
I only caught 2 games he was in and didn't notice him in them. It was worth trying him given his AHL scoring touch, but much like people have said about Bracco, some guys just can't take the next step.


He's been a less good Matt Read playing in the top-6 since his call up. Watching him play in the AHL you could see that his game wouldn't translate to the NHL. It's too flawed, Anas is the same way. He's a very good AHL player, just doesn't have the complete game to be a useful NHLer.
11 mar à 13 h 23
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Quoting: wabit
JEE has been playing the 2C role for most of the season. Rask is better than people give him credit for and fine in a bottom-6 role. He should have been there over Koivu since Koivu's return injury. Zucc is a 3rd liner (at best).

Top 6:
(pick a LW)/Staal/Fiala
Kaprizov/JEE/Kunin


I can't see them going into next season essentially only adding Kaprizov to the top 6. Low chance of that happening.
11 mar à 14 h 03
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
I can't see them going into next season essentially only adding Kaprizov to the top 6. Low chance of that happening.


Why not? This really isn't an impressive FA class for MNs needs (center). JEE, Kunin, and Fiala have made good steps this year. I think a Parise trade is a pipedream and they still have Zucc to try and fit in somewhere.

Edit. And adding another FWD just means another player that will need protection in the Seattle expansion draft.
11 mar à 16 h 53
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Quoting: wabit
Why not? This really isn't an impressive FA class for MNs needs (center). JEE, Kunin, and Fiala have made good steps this year. I think a Parise trade is a pipedream and they still have Zucc to try and fit in somewhere.

Edit. And adding another FWD just means another player that will need protection in the Seattle expansion draft.


I'd be shocked if they don't trade for a top 2 center, to the point I'd be completely baffled.

A likely top 6 is Kaprizov/New Center/Fiala, Parise/Staal/Kunin. But there are tons of variables even with those guys. Guerin is not going to walk into a second season and not put his fingerprints on the team, that's not how GMs work. And no need to worry about forward protection with the Wild. Also saying Grigorenko isn't an NHL player is jumping the gun and completely based on his past performance, he's matured and plays a different game and his return is looking like a Dadonov situation, I think the Wild have to look hard into him because of his friendship with Kaprizov alone.
11 mar à 19 h 48
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
I'd be shocked if they don't trade for a top 2 center, to the point I'd be completely baffled.

A likely top 6 is Kaprizov/New Center/Fiala, Parise/Staal/Kunin. But there are tons of variables even with those guys. Guerin is not going to walk into a second season and not put his fingerprints on the team, that's not how GMs work. And no need to worry about forward protection with the Wild. Also saying Grigorenko isn't an NHL player is jumping the gun and completely based on his past performance, he's matured and plays a different game and his return is looking like a Dadonov situation, I think the Wild have to look hard into him because of his friendship with Kaprizov alone.


Why do the Wild want another wing in Grigorenko? Especially one that won't fit anywhere in the lineup. Kaprizov can make new friends, or at least prove he's the 2nd coming of Gretzky before his friends get to be on the team.

Trade for a top-6 center, right, MN has been trying to do that for their entire existence. Dumba value is trash right now, and Brodin is a rental for next season. They aren't going to get a top-6 center that's worth much. Anything else worth anything: Fiala, JEE, and Kunin shouldn't be moved.

The GM's thumbprint on the team with be in the coach he hires. Re-signing Chucky, signing Kaprizov, and/or moving on from Koivu could be the biggest move the Wild make this offseason. That would be more than Fenton did in his 2 off-seasons. Remember Fenton's "big" move his first year was signing Pateryn.
11 mar à 21 h 29
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Quoting: wabit
Why do the Wild want another wing in Grigorenko? Especially one that won't fit anywhere in the lineup. Kaprizov can make new friends, or at least prove he's the 2nd coming of Gretzky before his friends get to be on the team.

Trade for a top-6 center, right, MN has been trying to do that for their entire existence. Dumba value is trash right now, and Brodin is a rental for next season. They aren't going to get a top-6 center that's worth much. Anything else worth anything: Fiala, JEE, and Kunin shouldn't be moved.

The GM's thumbprint on the team with be in the coach he hires. Re-signing Chucky, signing Kaprizov, and/or moving on from Koivu could be the biggest move the Wild make this offseason. That would be more than Fenton did in his 2 off-seasons. Remember Fenton's "big" move his first year was signing Pateryn.


Grigorenko is actually a center. Fenton made 5 trades, a waiver claim and signed 3 guys in his time in Minnesota. Guerin has made 1 trade. Whether you like it or not he’s gonna make more moves.
12 mar à 2 h 59
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Grigorenko is actually a center. Fenton made 5 trades, a waiver claim and signed 3 guys in his time in Minnesota. Guerin has made 1 trade. Whether you like it or not he’s gonna make more moves.


Grigorenko plays on the wing in the KHL and has all season.
 
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