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    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 18
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    Dear Florida,
    I'll trade you this delicious door stop for your crummy danish.
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    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 18
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    I don't like any of these deals. No way we trade Letang or Rust. Rust has been arguably our best player this season.

    Jim Rutherford laughs at the Barrie signing. NO WAY we pay that much and I'd take Letang over Barrie any day of the week.
    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 18
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    1) Letang doesn’t have that much positive value. He’s a terrible defender with good offensive upside.
    2) Rust is having a great year but his value isn’t this high. I wouldn’t trade him bc what else could you honestly ask for from a player making what he’s making. Hubber would cost your 2 best prospects and 2 first round picks to start a conversation. He’s very good.
    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 28
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    1) Letang doesn’t have that much positive value. He’s a terrible defender with good offensive upside.
    2) Rust is having a great year but his value isn’t this high. I wouldn’t trade him bc what else could you honestly ask for from a player making what he’s making. Hubber would cost your 2 best prospects and 2 first round picks to start a conversation. He’s very good.


    Letangs is fine on defense. Is not a beast in that area but he is far superior then barrie or any florida current defenseman. Saying that he is a terrible defender is not accurate at all. He have been playing against top opponent for most of is career and have done a real decent job.
    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 38
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    Quoting: blairvincent
    Dear Florida,
    I'll trade you this delicious door stop for your crummy danish.


    This post is amazing. Kudos to you and the reference, sir.
    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 46
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    Quoting: Missouri
    I don't like any of these deals. No way we trade Letang or Rust. Rust has been arguably our best player this season.


    Letang, Rust for Huberdeau, Tippett would be a HUGE Penguin win.
    10 mars 2020 à 12 h 54
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Letangs is fine on defense. Is not a beast in that area but he is far superior then barrie or any florida current defenseman. Saying that he is a terrible defender is not accurate at all. He have been playing against top opponent for most of is career and have done a real decent job.


    Ugghhhh. Letang isn’t even better than Yandle.(right now) Ekblad also is better. Why does FLA make this trade. Letang needs the penguins best defenseman playing his opposite side just to make him look Okay defensively. To call Letang average at defense would be lying. Letang makes Carlson look like lindstrom when it comes to playing defense. Just saying don’t glorify him. It’s not 2015 anymore.
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 2
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Ugghhhh. Letang isn’t even better than Yandle.(right now) Ekblad also is better. Why does FLA make this trade. Letang needs the penguins best defenseman playing his opposite side just to make him look Okay defensively. To call Letang average at defense would be lying. Letang makes Carlson look like lindstrom when it comes to playing defense. Just saying don’t glorify him. It’s not 2015 anymore.


    Coming from a capital fan how think that carlson is better then letang i will stop this conversation right away. Letang have been fine and he have been more then ok the time he replace on the left side. The hatred is your only motivation here because you have absolutely no knowledge about the player assignments. Facing top players night after night and still have decent numbers prove my point
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 9
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    Modifié 10 mars 2020 à 13 h 43 par F50marco
    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Coming from a capital fan how think that carlson is better then letang i will stop this conversation right away. Letang have been fine and he have been more then ok the time he replace on the left side. The hatred is your only motivation here because you have absolutely no knowledge about the player assignments. Facing top players night after night and still have decent numbers prove my point


    Carlson is terrible defensively but he’s still better than Letang. Also no hatred I actually love Letang. He’s been the major reason the capitals have had success vs the penguins. Guys a liability out there but Penguins fans think he’s still a Norris type player which is hilarious. Carlson faces top line players also and might score 90 points this season what Letang career high? 67? Also descent numbers what numbers are you looking at?
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 37
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    Modifié 10 mars 2020 à 13 h 43 par F50marco
    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Carlson is terrible defensively but he’s still better than Letang. Also no hatred I actually love Letang. He’s been the major reason the capitals have had success vs the penguins. Guys a liability out there but Penguins fans think he’s still a Norris type player which is hilarious. Carlson faces top line players also and might score 90 points this season what Letang career high? 67? Also descent numbers what numbers are you looking at?

    Success against Pittsburgh?? You mean the only time you beat them in 5 playoffs series make washington having success against Pittsburgh?? You are funny man. Letang possesion numbers and defensive metrics are just above average.
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 45
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    Success against Pittsburgh?? You mean the only time you beat them in 5 playoffs series make washington having success against Pittsburgh?? You are funny man. Letang possesion numbers and defensive metrics are just above average.


    Yeah let’s go with that. Or let’s look at the most recent game?

    26 minutes -4. 1 shot yeah I’ll take that all day yum yum yum
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 50
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    Yeah let’s go with that. Or let’s look at the most recent game?

    26 minutes -4. 1 shot yeah I’ll take that all day yum yum yum


    3 stanley cup ring ill take that every other single day. Yum, yum, yum. You can have the best team in the regular season no one care about that at the end of the years. What is important is the name on the big trophy. Boum chakalaka and you been serve
    10 mars 2020 à 13 h 57
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    3 stanley cup ring ill take that every other single day. Yum, yum, yum. You can have the best team in the regular season no one care about that at the end of the years. What is important is the name on the big trophy. Boum chakalaka and you been serve


    3 rings and he only won 2 of them playing hahaha. Yeah keystone of that team. Also keep living in 2017 when Letang actually had some value bc today he barley has positive value
    10 mars 2020 à 14 h 9
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    Modifié 10 mars 2020 à 14 h 16
    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Carlson is terrible defensively but he’s still better than Letang. Also no hatred I actually love Letang. He’s been the major reason the capitals have had success vs the penguins. Guys a liability out there but Penguins fans think he’s still a Norris type player which is hilarious. Carlson faces top line players also and might score 90 points this season what Letang career high? 67? Also descent numbers what numbers are you looking at?


    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Coming from a capital fan how think that carlson is better then letang i will stop this conversation right away. Letang have been fine and he have been more then ok the time he replace on the left side. The hatred is your only motivation here because you have absolutely no knowledge about the player assignments. Facing top players night after night and still have decent numbers prove my point


    Over the past three seasons, here is the breakdown b/w Letang and Carlson on who had better statistical and analytical performances:
    Games played: Carlson (231 vs 204)
    TOI: Carlson (3971 vs 3826)
    Total Points: Carlson (100 vs 71)
    Less Giveaways: Letang (160 vs 195)
    Takeaways: Letang (111 vs 96)
    CF%: Letang (53% vs 50%)
    FF%: Letang (53% vs 49%)
    SF% Letang (54% vs 50%)
    GF%: Carlson (55% vs 50%)
    xGF%: Letang (54% vs 48%)
    SCF%: Letang (54% vs 50%)
    HDCF%: Letang (53% vs 47%)
    HDGF%: Letang (49% vs 46%)
    MDCF%: Letang (55% vs 53%)
    MDGF%: Carlson (65% vs 50%)
    LDCF%: Letang (53% vs 51%)
    LDGF%: Carlson (72% vs 53%)
    PDO (higher number means the more luck the respective player had): Letang: .988 vs Carlson: 1.020

    TLDR: Letang, over the last three seasons, has been better offensively and defensively than Carlson; all the while less lucky.

    **Data came from Natural Stat Trick**
    10 mars 2020 à 14 h 11
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    3 rings and he only won 2 of them playing hahaha. Yeah keystone of that team. Also keep living in 2017 when Letang actually had some value bc today he barley has positive value


    Keep the hatred going troll nobody care. You always try to engaged fight with other user and more then often doesn’t have anything intelligent to bring to the discussion. Letang is still a very good defenseman and there 30 team that would dream of having a guy’s like him in there line up.
    10 mars 2020 à 14 h 12
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    Quoting: Arom5477
    Over the past three seasons, here is the breakdown b/w Letang and Carlson on who had better statistical and analytical performances:
    Games played: Carlson (231 vs 204)
    TOI: Carlson (3971 vs 3826)
    CF%: Letang (53% vs 50%)
    FF%: Letang (53% vs 49%)
    SF% Letang (54% vs 50%)
    GF%: Carlson (55% vs 50%)
    xGF%: Letang (54% vs 48%)
    SCF%: Letang (54% vs 50%)
    HDCF%: Letang (53% vs 47%)
    HDGF%: Letang (49% vs 46%)
    MDCF%: Letang (55% vs 53%)
    MDGF%: Carlson (65% vs 50%)
    LDCF%: Letang (53% vs 51%)
    LDGF%: Carlson (72% vs 53%)
    PDO (higher number means the more luck the respective player had): Letang: .988 vs Carlson: 1.020

    TLDR: Letang, over the last three seasons, has been better offensively and defensively than Carlson.

    **Data came from Natural Stat Trick**


    Go by last 2 seasons.
    10 mars 2020 à 14 h 12
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    Quoting: Arom5477
    Over the past three seasons, here is the breakdown b/w Letang and Carlson on who had better statistical and analytical performances:
    Games played: Carlson (231 vs 204)
    TOI: Carlson (3971 vs 3826)
    CF%: Letang (53% vs 50%)
    FF%: Letang (53% vs 49%)
    SF% Letang (54% vs 50%)
    GF%: Carlson (55% vs 50%)
    xGF%: Letang (54% vs 48%)
    SCF%: Letang (54% vs 50%)
    HDCF%: Letang (53% vs 47%)
    HDGF%: Letang (49% vs 46%)
    MDCF%: Letang (55% vs 53%)
    MDGF%: Carlson (65% vs 50%)
    LDCF%: Letang (53% vs 51%)
    LDGF%: Carlson (72% vs 53%)
    PDO (higher number means the more luck the respective player had): Letang: .988 vs Carlson: 1.020

    TLDR: Letang, over the last three seasons, has been better offensively and defensively than Carlson.

    **Data came from Natural Stat Trick**

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    10 mars 2020 à 14 h 13
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Go by last 2 seasons.

    Why you just admit you are wrong and apologize.
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Keep the hatred going troll nobody care. You always try to engaged fight with other user and more then often doesn’t have anything intelligent to bring to the discussion. Letang is still a very good defenseman and there 30 team that would dream of having a guy’s like him in there line up.


    Nobody is trolling. It’s honesty. Bc somebody disagrees doesn’t make it wrong. I’m no reality does an aging liability Letang get you a player that’s been top 10 in points the last 2 years? Yes Letang is terrible defensively. Yes he is good offensively but nobody thinks he’s elite/Norris worthy anymore
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    Nobody is trolling. It’s honesty. Bc somebody disagrees doesn’t make it wrong. I’m no reality does an aging liability Letang get you a player that’s been top 10 in points the last 2 years? Yes Letang is terrible defensively. Yes he is good offensively but nobody thinks he’s elite/Norris worthy anymore

    I never said that the trade was fair! This trade proposal is terrible for florida. Huberdeau contract alone is worth gold. Florida would need to acquire a players like seth jones or miro heiskanen to consider trading him.

    The facts that letangs is not terrible defensively is why I engage this argument. Or friend just have shown the number and stats that show that letang is doiing more then ok. You may not like letang but that doesnt make him a bad defender. The number are there to prove that he is still a good defenseman. Having one bad game at -4 doesn’t reflect the season he is having. I watch almost every Pens game and he is for most of the game the best players on ice for Pittsburgh.
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    Over the past three seasons, here is the breakdown b/w Letang and Carlson on who had better statistical and analytical performances:
    Games played: Carlson (231 vs 204)
    TOI: Carlson (3971 vs 3826)
    Total Points: Carlson (100 vs 71)
    Less Giveaways: Letang (160 vs 195)
    Takeaways: Letang (111 vs 96)
    CF%: Letang (53% vs 50%)
    FF%: Letang (53% vs 49%)
    SF% Letang (54% vs 50%)
    GF%: Carlson (55% vs 50%)
    xGF%: Letang (54% vs 48%)
    SCF%: Letang (54% vs 50%)
    HDCF%: Letang (53% vs 47%)
    HDGF%: Letang (49% vs 46%)
    MDCF%: Letang (55% vs 53%)
    MDGF%: Carlson (65% vs 50%)
    LDCF%: Letang (53% vs 51%)
    LDGF%: Carlson (72% vs 53%)
    PDO (higher number means the more luck the respective player had): Letang: .988 vs Carlson: 1.020

    TLDR: Letang, over the last three seasons, has been better offensively and defensively than Carlson; all the while less lucky.

    **Data came from Natural Stat Trick**

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    125 GP 149
    2383.5166666667 TOI 2550.1666666667
    2504 CF 2641
    2225 CA 2520
    52.95 CF% 51.17
    1911 FF 1986
    1686 FA 1896
    53.13 FF% 51.16
    1434 SF 1418
    1239 SA 1352
    53.65 SF% 51.19
    131 GF 156
    103 GA 121
    55.98 GF% 56.32
    108.09 xGF 109.13
    96.24 xGA 111.38
    52.90 xGF% 49.49
    1191 SCF 1275
    1023 SCA 1245
    53.79 SCF% 50.60
    498 HDCF 499
    444 HDCA 559
    52.87 HDCF% 47.16
    73 HDGF 75
    61 HDGA 82
    54.48 HDGF% 47.77
    693 MDCF 776
    579 MDCA 686
    54.48 MDCF% 53.08
    41 MDGF 49
    27 MDGA 27
    60.29 MDGF% 64.47
    1113 LDCF 1160
    1005 LDCA 1034
    52.55 LDCF% 52.87
    17 LDGF 32
    15 LDGA 12
    53.13 LDGF% 72.73
    9.14 On-Ice SH% 11.00
    91.69 On-Ice SV% 91.05
    1.008 PDO 1.021
    335 Off. Zone Starts 408
    552 Neu. Zone Starts 637
    311 Def. Zone Starts 337
    1646 On The Fly Starts 1519
    51.86 Off. Zone Start % 54.77
    768 Off. Zone Faceoffs 979
    863 Neu. Zone Faceoffs 991
    733 Def. Zone Faceoffs 821
    51.17 Off. Zone Faceoff % 54.39

    Yeah no need to apologize like said
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    Quoting: Capitalfail67
    Go by last 2 seasons.


    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Why you just admit you are wrong and apologize.


    Quoting: Arom5477
    Over the past three seasons, here is the breakdown b/w Letang and Carlson on who had better statistical and analytical performances:
    Games played: Carlson (231 vs 204)
    TOI: Carlson (3971 vs 3826)
    Total Points: Carlson (100 vs 71)
    Less Giveaways: Letang (160 vs 195)
    Takeaways: Letang (111 vs 96)
    CF%: Letang (53% vs 50%)
    FF%: Letang (53% vs 49%)
    SF% Letang (54% vs 50%)
    GF%: Carlson (55% vs 50%)
    xGF%: Letang (54% vs 48%)
    SCF%: Letang (54% vs 50%)
    HDCF%: Letang (53% vs 47%)
    HDGF%: Letang (49% vs 46%)
    MDCF%: Letang (55% vs 53%)
    MDGF%: Carlson (65% vs 50%)
    LDCF%: Letang (53% vs 51%)
    LDGF%: Carlson (72% vs 53%)
    PDO (higher number means the more luck the respective player had): Letang: .988 vs Carlson: 1.020

    TLDR: Letang, over the last three seasons, has been better offensively and defensively than Carlson; all the while less lucky.

    **Data came from Natural Stat Trick**


    Looking at the last two seasons:

    The Breakdown is the same except for:

    Carlson's LDCF% was higher.

    Besides that, the breakdown was the exact same.

    So I will reiterate: Letang over the last..two seasons...has been better offensively and defensively; all the while being less lucky.
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    I never said that the trade was fair! This trade proposal is terrible for florida. Huberdeau contract alone is worth gold. Florida would need to acquire a players like seth jones or miro heiskanen to consider trading him.

    The facts that letangs is not terrible defensively is why I engage this argument. Or friend just have shown the number and stats that show that letang is doiing more then ok. You may not like letang but that doesnt make him a bad defender. The number are there to prove that he is still a good defenseman. Having one bad game at -4 doesn’t reflect the season he is having. I watch almost every Pens game and he is for most of the game the best players on ice for Pittsburgh.


    No what the guy showed you was that compared to Carlson (who is also terrible defensively) Letang is slightly better defensively while putting up way less points. Again that doesn’t make him good at defense and including year 3 was when Carlson got stuck w Orpik.
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    No what the guy showed you was that compared to Carlson (who is also terrible defensively) Letang is slightly better defensively while putting up way less points. Again that doesn’t make him good at defense and including year 3 was when Carlson got stuck w Orpik.


    Letang advance stats are for most positive. That a good indication of how well he performed defensively or offensively. Why you keep arguing when all the proof have shown that letang is a good defenseman. You should apologize and move on. The only things you keep goiing at is that you don’t like letang and that the only thing you demonstrate. Our friend have made it real clear that letang was superior. And that letang numbers
    Where mostly positive.
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    Quoting: Sebybbq
    Letang advance stats are for most positive. That a good indication of how well he performed defensively or offensively. Why you keep arguing when all the proof have shown that letang is a good defenseman. You should apologize and move on. The only things you keep goiing at is that you don’t like letang and that the only thing you demonstrate. Our friend have made it real clear that letang was superior. And that letang numbers
    Where mostly positive.


    Lmfao “more positive. Do you even understand anything he sent or are you just leaning on that now bc it benefits your argument. Your boy used a stat that measure luck.

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

    Here is a table that will show how his stats are misleading. They are important but misleading. Problem with Corsi people are they have players like ZAR being better than Kucherov. Silly and stupid. Common sense prevails
     
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