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stronger depth and defense

Créé par: Wqrrior
Date de création initiale: mar 9, 2020
Publié: Mar 9 at 3:57 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Stars de Dallas
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Gurianov, Denis22 850 000 $
Hintz, Roope23 250 000 $
Faksa, Radek43 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Sekera, Andrej11 500 000 $
Khudobin, Anton23 500 000 $
Bayreuther, Gavin1750 000 $
Larsson, Johan21 750 000 $
Transactions
DAL
  1. Killorn, Alex
TBL
  1. Dickinson, Jason
  2. 2021 4e round pick (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
4th --> 3rd if Killorn gets more than 45 points in 2021, --> 2nd if Dallas makes the WCF
DAL
  1. Juulsen, Noah [Droits de RFA]
MTL
  1. Honka, Julius [Liste de réserve]
DAL
  1. Severson, Damon
NJD
  1. Johns, Stephen
  2. L'Esperance, Joel [Droits de RFA]
  3. 2021 1e round pick (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
A slightly better package than the Skjei deal, for a slightly better defenseman

*Pick is top 10 protected
Rachats de contrats
  • Valeri Nichushkin: 450 000 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
BUF
2021
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
2022
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
DAL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2385 000 000 $84 197 498 $0 $2 582 500 $802 502 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Killorn, Alex
4 450 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 3
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
9 850 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
DAL
Gurianov, Denis
2 850 000 $
AG
RFA
DAL
Benn, Jamie
9 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
DAL
Hintz, Roope
3 250 000 $
C, AG
RFA
DAL
Radulov, Alexander
6 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
DAL
Robertson, Jason
795 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
DAL
Faksa, Radek
3 000 000 $
C
RFA
DAL
Pavelski, Joe
7 000 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 2
DAL
Cogliano, Andrew
3 250 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 1
Larsson, Johan
1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA
DAL
Comeau, Blake
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
DAL
Lindell, Esa
5 800 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
DAL
Klingberg, John
4 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
DAL
Bishop, Ben
4 916 666 $
G
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
DAL
Heiskanen, Miro
894 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
NJD
Severson, Damon
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 3
DAL
Khudobin, Anton
3 500 000 $
G
UFA
DAL
Oleksiak, Jamie
2 137 500 $
DG
UFA - 1
DAL
Sekera, Andrej
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
DAL
Bayreuther, Gavin
750 000 $
D
UFA
DAL
Fedun, Taylor
737 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
DAL
Dowling, Justin
750 000 $
C
UFA - 1

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9 mar à 16 h 04
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That Severson trade gets f*cked due to the expansion draft coming...we'd lose Severson immediately.
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9 mar à 16 h 08
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
That Severson trade gets f*cked due to the expansion draft coming...we'd lose Severson immediately.


Pavs is a M-NTC for that draft, any chance Dallas would pay a premium to move his last year? He would be the James Neal comparable that VGK had. There is a crap tonne of defense available for that draft and not many Pavelskis.

Moving Pavs might also be one of few ways to get the Heiskanen extension in properly.
9 mar à 16 h 15
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I think Tampa Bay Lightning needs draft picks for Killorn, to recover the insane losses from the Coleman/Goodrow trade...
Also i don't think we need another guy with 1 year contract left. Rather 2 years/3years left would be much better. But nice try anyways.smirk

Wonder if we can get a 1st for Killorn, or just 2nd+2nd... we'll see... the way i see it.. he had much better year, than JT Miller...(value was middle 1st round pick + middle 3rd round pick)
I think we should keep him... trade away others... but maybe it's best to sell him top return going back to tampa...
JT Miller:1st(middle)+3rd + random player = insane value
Killorn:1st only(late maybe?) = ???

We'll see...
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9 mar à 16 h 16
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Pavs is a M-NTC for that draft, any chance Dallas would pay a premium to move his last year? He would be the James Neal comparable that VGK had. There is a crap tonne of defense available for that draft and not many Pavelskis.

Moving Pavs might also be one of few ways to get the Heiskanen extension in properly.


We're protecting 7 forwards and 3 d-men. Severson is not going to be one of them, and neither is Pavelski. I'm predicting that we're protecting Seguin, Benn, Radulov, Hintz, Gurianov, Faksa, Dickinson/Killorn, Heiskanen, Klingberg, Lindell and Bishop...

If a player like Severson was available, Francis would be stupid as f*ck not to pick him. This is why we should not be acquiring a multi-year D asset this offseason...
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9 mar à 16 h 19
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Quoting: F3ruS
I think Tampa Bay Lightning needs draft picks for Killorn, to recover the insane losses from the Coleman/Goodrow trade...
Also i don't think we need another guy with 1 year contract left. Rather 2 years/3years left would be much better. But nice try anyways.smirk

Wonder if we can get a 1st for Killorn, or just 2nd+2nd... we'll see... the way i see it.. he had much better year, than JT Miller...(value was middle 1st round pick + middle 3rd round pick)
I think we should keep him... trade away others... but maybe it's best to sell him top return going back to tampa...
JT Miller:1st(middle)+3rd + random player = insane value
Killorn:1st only(late maybe?) = ???

We'll see...


Trade who though lol. It's either Killorn, Sergachev or Cirelli. I'd much rather move Killorn.

Also Dickinson is an RFA, so you get him more than 1 year. And the pick in theory could become a 2nd. Killorn is not worth as much as Miller. Miller is more versatile as a center. Killorn restricted to LW only will result in slightly less value
9 mar à 16 h 29
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Modifié 9 mar à 16 h 35
Quoting: Wqrrior
Trade who though lol. It's either Killorn, Sergachev or Cirelli. I'd much rather move Killorn.

Also Dickinson is an RFA, so you get him more than 1 year. And the pick in theory could become a 2nd. Killorn is not worth as much as Miller. Miller is more versatile as a center. Killorn restricted to LW only will result in slightly less value


You don't understand, it's impossible to get that high return for JT Miller... We did it anyways... nobody expected that... Confess! Have you?
Middle 1st! + 3rd !
Not late 1st + nothing!
It's foolish to think we hit the jackpot 2 times in a row, that's why i said late 1st should be an alright return.... i know you can sign RFA's, but for how much... when it's already done it's better(no trouble)

Dickinson + unconditional 2nd seems like a good return... we don't take those conditions for sure in a high quality player like Killorn. He can reach 60 points this year. That's not mediocre... His contract is also a bargain for what he brings to the table... even if it's 20 points... He is really valuable until he regresses... maybe in 2 years...
I would rather keep him, so the price will be high? It's not like we will shopping him for peanuts rolling eyes

Trade Who:Coburn/Gourde/Johnson/Paquette + anyone we can...
The cap will be maybe 86.5 mill $, that would help us as well - fingers crossed it won't be 85 mill... shakes head
9 mar à 16 h 42
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Quoting: F3ruS
You don't understand, it's impossible to get that high return for JT Miller... We did it anyways... nobody expected that... Confess! Have you?

I would rather keep him, so the price will be high? It's not like we will shopping him for peanuts rolling eyes

Trade Who:Coburn/Gourde/Johnson/Paquette + anyone we can...
The cap will be maybe 86.5 mill $, that would help us as well - fingers crossed it won't be 85 mill... shakes head


Well obviously you would rather have Killorn. But it is practically impossible to keep him. I am very doubtful that any of those guys waive their NTCs. Paquette is movable, but what does 1.6M do for you? Almost nothing.

Johnson seems like a guy to offload to Seattle, but you have to wait for that. He is from that state anyway.
Gourde would have less interest. He has been almost useless. Even if he does draw interest, why would he want to move?

It would take a miracle to offload those guys.

Which means... you are stuck between moving one of your elite forwards, which we already know is a big nope.

So then, you are left with Killorn, Paquette and maybe Cernak as your options to move. Sergachev will cost roughly what Killorn is making now if he signs a bridge. It's impossible to bring Sergachev, Cirelli and Cernak all back WHILE keeping all your current assets. Killorn is the most movable, however I don't see a lineup of teams asking for him.

from the start, as a canuck fan, I was fine with the Miller trade cost. And he is far superior to Killorn. Killorn getting 2 2nds is the maximum I see anyone paying, and that's in a bidding war. A 2nd and 3rd seems most realistic - and that's the same value this trade offers.
9 mar à 16 h 58
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Quoting: Wqrrior


It would take a miracle to offload those guys.



LUL, i think i already created the perfect trade for Tyler Johnson. I think Gourde stays right now... It's hard to choose between the 2... but the way we moving forward. Seems to me Gourde /Killorn stays.
So the trade i have in my ACGM test 2021:

Colorado Avalanche gets:
Tyler Johnson

Tampa Bay Lightning gets:
Tyson Jost
3rd round pick

Johnson will be a really good fit for Avs... fast goal scorer.. maybe he can even play with McKinnon... just like Namestnikov lately... He also played 1st line in tampa with Kucherov... just like Johnson...
These guys are versatile... can be fit into any line... Namestnikov more of a defensive type... Johnson is all about offense ofc...

I missed your 2nd round pick condition, sorry i'm blind... make it 2nd round playoffs instead of conf-finals(unlikely however good dallas is--> parity is too much - even tampa can be out 1st round again...)
And lower the points to 35, since Dallas is 5 times more defensive oriented team, than tampa. Also he can be injured any time, so rip conditions... for solid power forwards you don't need those conditions anyway... he is not milan lucic type of player... he can shoot the puck...
Dallas has no offense practically anyways... except when on hot streak Jamie Benn+Seguin...(rarer and rarer each year).
I can't see how Killorn reaches 45 ever there... unless he plays 100% PP1 unit , like JT miller in Van...
4th rounder is super low value basically... these are "solid" guys, not "useless", like u said. Any team would gladly trade for these.

Dallas wins games 2-1
Tampa wins games 4-3

Yes, this year tampa is trying to change, but mediocre success... true test will be playoffs... now we are more aiming for a 3-2 victory... last year it was 5-3 maybe grin
You get my point, those conditions are nonsense, i rarely see those in any trade... the "points condition" is absolutely unneccesary and never gets accepted by TBL...
9 mar à 17 h 00
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Quoting: F3ruS
LUL, i think i already created the perfect trade for Tyler Johnson. I think Gourde stays right now... It's hard to choose between the 2... but the way we moving forward. Seems to me Gourde /Killorn stays.
So the trade i have in my ACGM test 2021:

Colorado Avalanche gets:
Tyler Johnson

Tampa Bay Lightning gets:
Tyson Jost
3rd round pick

Johnson will be a really good fit for Avs... fast goal scorer.. maybe he can even play with McKinnon... just like Namestnikov lately... He also played 1st line in tampa with Kucherov... just like Johnson...
These guys are versatile... can be fit into any line... Namestnikov more of a defensive type... Johnson is all about offense ofc...

I missed your 2nd round pick condition, sorry i'm blind... make it 2nd round playoffs instead of conf-finals(unlikely however good dallas is--> parity is too much - even tampa can be out 1st round again...)
And lower the points to 35, since Dallas is 5 times more defensive oriented team, than tampa. Also he can be unjured any time, so rip conditions... for solid power forwards you don't need those conditions anyway... he is not milan lucic type of player... he can shoot the puck...
Dallas has no offense practically anyways... except when on hot streak Jamie Benn+Seguin...(rarer and rarer each year).
I can't see how Killorn reaches 45 ever there... unless he plays 100% PP1 unit , like JT miller in Van...

Dallas wins games 2-1
Tampa wins games 4-3

Yes this year tampa is trying to change, but mediocre success... true test will be playoffs... now we are morer aiming for a 3-2 victory... last year it was 5-3 maybe grin
You get my points, those conditions are nonsense, i rarely see those... the "points condition" is absolutely unneccesary and never gets accepted by TBL...


There is no hope of you getting that much for Johnson. Even a good chunk of Tampa fans see his lacklutre work ethic and his contract shifting from decent to disastrous. He is overpaid and doesn't provide any upgrade for COL over Jost. I doubt he waives for COL either.

Johnson, if moved, won't get a hair over a single 2nd round pick.
9 mar à 17 h 15
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Quoting: Wqrrior
There is no hope of you getting that much for Johnson. Even a good chunk of Tampa fans see his lacklutre work ethic and his contract shifting from decent to disastrous. He is overpaid and doesn't provide any upgrade for COL over Jost. I doubt he waives for COL either.

Johnson, if moved, won't get a hair over a single 2nd round pick.


That's were we disagree: I think currently Jost is a lost case. Need a change of scenery - i can't see too much value in him.

I don't know who it was, but before season start at the summer, someone said:
Jost = 60 points player

I laughed him for hours... no joke.. not for seconds... for hours... well almost season is over... i can start to laugh again. Jost is still not good... It's just seems like a good trade for both party... Johnson caphit is decent. He can hit 40-50 points in Colorado... No problem with it, except for lightning, we are shifting for more defenseive oriented play and we overpaid Vasi, so we need to trade him. He is still good/can play PP... just not a good fit anymore... whatever other tampa fans think about him... it doesn't matter...
They said exact same garbage things about Palat, before season started.
I told all of them to calm down and leave him alone... Coach's favorite...
Since then, they haven't said a single bad word about him... i would need to find any those old type of "hating" posts with magnify... i still wouldn't find it... all of those "fans" disappeared... Now they don't even mention Palat anymore.
Same solid guy, like Johnson, except more defensive oriented like Killorn.
We will trade 1-2 of these 3 and i hope it's Johnson. No problem if it's Killorn. But for Killorn - he provides a physical presence as well: we want to recover the losses for the Coleman trade/Goodrow trade.
So we will selling him high value not mediocre(impossible conditions)... Don't tell me you see more than, 15% that dallas makes it to conf finals next year... What if they don't even make the playoffs... not like they have 23 year old superstars all over the place... these conditions are not very well thought out... noone agrees to those... simple as that...

Killorn is more then points. If i would be BriseBois, i would keep him at all costs... and try to move Gourde/Johnson. But i know it's unlikely... but the return again should favor tampa. Sell high on him = alright compromise.
I don't even know Dickinson that well, so maybe he is weaker than i think... We'll see who gets moved, it's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.
Your topic is one of the better ones, so congrats for your suggestions...
i'm only saying it's a little bit off... very little...(conditions which never happening anways).
Killorn will get unconditional trade = 100%
It's not trade deadline...
 
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