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Ducks and Blues fans would you

Créé par: V1NnY2
Date de création initiale: mar 8, 2020
Publié: 8 mar 2020 à 20 h 02
Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
STL trade:

Blues need cap space for Petro and Dunn and Habs need a quality backup goalie. Allen seems like he got things under control again this year so I could see Bergevin take a shot and make a deal with STL. Since STL is tight against the cap, I could see Bergevin trying to move up in the draft and use his cap space as an asset while addressing a positional need.

ANA trade:

Not sure if ANA would do it but I could see Domi as a good fit in a team that needs top-6 forwards and has plenty of DEF already in the big league and a good prospect pool at that position. Mete is thrown in there to fill the void left by Lindholm’s departure. Not sure he is available, but Bergevin should definitely target him.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
Romanov, Alexander3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
Evans, Jake21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Schultz, Justin22 500 000 $
Maroon, Patrick21 500 000 $
Thompson, Nate11 250 000 $
Transactions
MTL
  1. Allen, Jake
  2. 2020 1e round pick (STL)
Détails additionnels:
Habs address positional need and STL clears cap space. Habs move up in the draft because they absorb the cap hit.
STL
  1. 2020 2e round pick (STL)
MTL
  1. Lindholm, Hampus
Détails additionnels:
Probably need to exchange draft picks to even out the trade value-wise
ANA
  1. Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]
  2. Mete, Victor [Droits de RFA]
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
STL
MTL
CHI
MTL
WSH
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
OTT
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2385 000 000 $79 284 365 $0 $3 137 500 $5 715 635 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Maroon, Patrick
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Evans, Jake
1 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
5 205 556 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Allen, Jake
4 350 000 $
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
925 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Schultz, Justin
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Thompson, Nate
1 250 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Alzner, Karl
4 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2

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8 mar 2020 à 20 h 09
#1
Jah1722
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No the ducks don’t do it.
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8 mar 2020 à 20 h 10
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Sam
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Allen isn’t negative value anymore
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8 mar 2020 à 20 h 21
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Ducks need a ready-to-play RhD, not a LhD. Anaheim might consider Lindholm for Domi plus Brook or Fleury plus one of your earlier second-rounders, though.
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8 mar 2020 à 21 h 01
#4
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Fowler for Lindholm would be better
8 mar 2020 à 21 h 28
#5
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Anaheim isn't moving Lindholm, End of story.
8 mar 2020 à 21 h 51
#6
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Quoting: DarkShadowZz
Fowler for Lindholm would be better


Fowler has a NTC and would never waive for MTL. Lindholm is a little younger and slightly cheaper against the cap. I don’t think Fowler is a realistic option.
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8 mar 2020 à 21 h 54
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Anaheim isn't moving Lindholm, End of story.


LHD is a position of strength for Anaheim: Fowler, Larsson and Mete/Mahura would make a good lineup so at some point I believe Lindholm could be made available for the right price. Maybe Habs need to add a little more though
8 mar 2020 à 21 h 56
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Ducks need a ready-to-play RhD, not a LhD. Anaheim might consider Lindholm for Domi plus Brook or Fleury plus one of your earlier second-rounders, though.


Domi, Fleury and a second could be interesting. Brook is not ready to play yet while Fleury has NHL experience and played well for a rookie. Habs would certainly entertain this idea and it makes sense for both teams IMO
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8 mar 2020 à 21 h 59
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Quoting: STLBlues17
Allen isn’t negative value anymore


The Blues cap situation is not good with Petro and Dunn to sign. GMs will try to take advantage of it. Everybody knows they need to make a trade in order to sign both so the Blues won’t be dealing from a position of strength. This deal meets both team needs.
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 00
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Quoting: Jah1722
No the ducks don’t do it.


Then what would it take ?
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 01
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Quoting: V1NnY2
The Blues cap situation is not good with Petro and Dunn to sign. GMs will try to take advantage of it. Everybody knows they need to make a trade in order to sign both so the Blues won’t be dealing from a position of strength. This deal meets both team needs.



Someone will do better than that. We don;t need to pay to trade Allen.
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8 mar 2020 à 22 h 03
#12
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Quoting: V1NnY2
The Blues cap situation is not good with Petro and Dunn to sign. GMs will try to take advantage of it. Everybody knows they need to make a trade in order to sign both so the Blues won’t be dealing from a position of strength. This deal meets both team needs.

Have you considered that "taking advantage" can also be as simple as a GM paying a 4th round pick to very cheaply acquire a really good backup slash fringe starter?
It's a much better offer for STL.
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 06
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Quoting: mokumboi
Someone will do better than that. We don;t need to pay to trade Allen.


Ask the Leafs with Marleau who had to pay a first rounder without getting anything back.. a lot of teams could have done more than that, but nobody did since they knew Toronto was in cap hell. Not saying Allen doesn’t have value, but I don’t see any GM handing out gifts to STL especially considering they are the defending champs and will be contenders for the next few years.

Look at what TB ended up giving for Goodrow. When a team is dealing in a tight cap situation, other GMs are aware
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 10
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Quoting: We_Want_The_Cup
Have you considered that "taking advantage" can also be as simple as a GM paying a 4th round pick to very cheaply acquire a really good backup slash fringe starter?
It's a much better offer for STL.


The free agent goalie market will be really good this year with Crawford, Lehner, Dell, Khudobin, Greiss, Halak, Etc..

Other teams can get similar quality without giving a draft pick and for a cheaper cap hit... There will be more supply than demand this summer
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 20
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mokumboi
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Quoting: V1NnY2
Ask the Leafs with Marleau who had to pay a first rounder without getting anything back.. a lot of teams could have done more than that, but nobody did since they knew Toronto was in cap hell. Not saying Allen doesn’t have value, but I don’t see any GM handing out gifts to STL especially considering they are the defending champs and will be contenders for the next few years.

Look at what TB ended up giving for Goodrow. When a team is dealing in a tight cap situation, other GMs are aware



Since when is paying proper value for a player a gift? Goodrow is crap. Marleau was a relic. Allen is 4th in the league in save pct. And just because some other GMs trade out of desperation, that doesn't mean Armstong will. He's the toughest nut to crack in the league (as noted in an Athletic survey of GMs). If you want Allen, fine. But you're not getting paid to take him. It will cost you something.
8 mar 2020 à 22 h 59
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Quoting: mokumboi
Since when is paying proper value for a player a gift? Goodrow is crap. Marleau was a relic. Allen is 4th in the league in save pct. And just because some other GMs trade out of desperation, that doesn't mean Armstong will. He's the toughest nut to crack in the league (as noted in an Athletic survey of GMs). If you want Allen, fine. But you're not getting paid to take him. It will cost you something.


Again, Armstrong is not dealing from a position of strength here. All players over 3M$ carry a NTC or M-NTC... besides Allen, O’Reilly and Parayko.

You said Goodrow is crap..but the deal happened because of TB’s cap situation. No team with a healthy cap situation would have done that. Same for Marleau who netted a third rounder at this years TDL but cost a first to the Leafs because they were in trouble. I don’t doubt Armstrong abilities, but we have to admit that his situation is far from ideal.
8 mar 2020 à 23 h 02
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Quoting: V1NnY2
Ask the Leafs with Marleau who had to pay a first rounder without getting anything back.. a lot of teams could have done more than that, but nobody did since they knew Toronto was in cap hell. Not saying Allen doesn’t have value, but I don’t see any GM handing out gifts to STL especially considering they are the defending champs and will be contenders for the next few years.

Look at what TB ended up giving for Goodrow. When a team is dealing in a tight cap situation, other GMs are aware


Tampa's GM is a moron for making that trade, Armstrong isn't a moron.
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8 mar 2020 à 23 h 56
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Quoting: V1NnY2
Again, Armstrong is not dealing from a position of strength here..


That's funny, because I'd consider having a player of value that other teams wish to acquire a position of strength.
9 mar 2020 à 0 h 08
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Anaheim isn't moving Lindholm, End of story.


We may be revisiting this subject around the time of the draft. I hope you get to have a laugh at my expense.
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