Modifié 12 mars 2020 à 3 h 7
Quoting: Bf3351
Retain Kopitar 5M for 5 years? Come on man. Blake already stated they are building around Kopitar and Doughty.
LUL, rip rebuild then - i mean you guys got your cups, so no biggie. I guess if the fans happy with these decisions, i guess it's ok.
Chicago doing the same as you guys, keeping Kane/Toews/Crawford/Seabrook/Keith forever, better than the
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way = never even make the playoffs and never win a round. At least those cups keep the fans happy during "no-winning season'" days...
It's 3.5 years next trade deadline.... Or if u take like 25 games out... It's 3 years only in 2021 february 25...
Check your math dude... don't say false things, if you don't know what you are talking about...
And those are not caphell years anyways... cap doesn't matter for rebuild... for lots of years... it's never few years.... like you think right now...
You want sergachev = i bet because you think your team will win with him... let me tell you something about serg...
He is a 3rd pair D.... as a 2nd pair D = he suffers = can't defend + makes mistakes... he is not good...
We tried him with Hedman 1st pair = epic fail...
He needs lot of years to improve.... he is better then last year... but it's not enough to stop McDavid or Ovechkin to score goals... He probably will never reach pro defensive level status, like Hedman, but we'll see... In offense he is pretty good though... but he is a defender so he should defend top priority at least be average/pretty good,like Martinez/Muzzin was in LA... Serg is far from Muzzin defensive skills... but that level is reachable with lots of work... we'll see.. he has time...
I don't follow your gm's statements, because your team is in the bottom-tier category since couple years + will be for too much years. So how should i know these "insider informations"(keeping aging overpaid player forever for a rebuild)
In my eyes rebuild = you sell those guys... The sooner... the better... the more value you get for them... the rebuild can be finished sooner.
So with a proper Yzerman "tanking strategy and selling everyone possible" =
could be ready in 2023/2024. We are talking about top10 team in the league and a respectable chance to win a round or 2 in the playoffs, like what toronto now looks like.(not cup contenders yet, because no defense superstars)
Other than defenders, superstars everywhere and no old dudes. If you keep all those old players, they just delay the process, because having more assets = can trade up for those superstars in the draft. Right now noone is trading up in the NHL = mostly bad gm's... They are just sitting on their draft picks 95% and hope for the miracle hit. Sometimes you can hit gems like tampa did with kuch,point,cirelli etc... but that's not the reality for most teams... you will miss too many players over the years... and in 5 years = no kucherov if unlucky in the draft. Look where Montreal is right now since like 2015... they have no hope...they are sitting on guys like petry + tatar for no reason... + not tanking(chasing the dream to get into playoffs for that 1% chance to win the cup there)
Yes you can be unlucky with 3x 1st overall or 3x3rd overall picks(tanking+ max amount of high draft picks) too, but at least you give yourself the chance...
How is a soon 33-35--> then 35+ year old bunch of guys part of the rebuild with insane caphit when u guys have insane cap penalties for 2 more years after this?
Also a super regressing Doughty won't be the same as Giordano winning Norris in like 2023...(where those 21-25 year olds LA players will be NHL "hopefully" stars).
It's a waste for Kopitar to suffer there for years, so i'm not sure what his motivations are. Oh, the usual, "he will teach the young guys everything"... well you can get those guys from UFA market for much cheaper... or take on the salaries for draft picks you can...those old guys will be the same... except cheaper... and u can use the picks to have a faster rebuild... yes i know sux to have 50-60 point seasons(bottom 3 team in nhl for 3 years+, but if you're not doing it, you're not getting anywhere, except if u are lucky(or skilled finding gems), like Tampa's old gm...We'll see in Detroit if he still can find gems in the next 5 years...
I could written the same retention for Quick/Doughty/Brown/Carter, they are basically ensuring that your franchise will have no success in the upcoming 4 years.
2020/2021
2021/2022
These seasons are hopeless.
The next one, 2022/2023 most likely still out of playoffs.
2023/2024 = last year of Kopitar's contract. Do you think a 36 year old Kopitar will help the team win anything in this season. The answer is clearly = will be just an anchor...(you can't get value probably by then = wasted asset)
If you retain 30%-40% of the salary and sell him for amazing value this summer. That 3-4 million $ will not be that bad(remember new tv deal+ cap going up like crazy every year by millions... = 3-4 mill in 2022/2023 = not even that much), when your team might start thinking about going into playoffs.
With this current LA GM approach, i expect LA in the playoffs after 2026-2027.(with real chance 1%+)
If sooner, then you need to be lucky in the next 2-3 draft years and draft actual superstars on all of the front:Goalie/Forwards/Defense.
TLDR:Come on man... i could write the same... i hate to see in the nhl hopeless teams with no future...
If you enjoy losing... support your gm and he will keep Doughty/Kopitar/Quick forever... and all others... delaying the rebuild with keeping old players= delaying the success.
BTW 50% retention was just throwing random ideas for you to create realistic scenarios for getting value... you can do 30% retention and same thing still apply = 7 million $ Kopitar is still alright in my book.
Just not for Tampa
In short:
sell everybody, maybe keep 1 old guy for a couple of years... = full rebuild completed in 2023/2024 = contending again(hopefully). That's the only way...
Your gm's way = bunch of mediocre seasons upcoming = no real chance to win cup.
And here comes the bad part. After the rebuild is over. If you fail to draft superstars in those 3 years = rebuild is a failure.
It's only my opinion about rebuilds, you can laugh at me, not read my message(your choice), but don't be too surprised is success will be the last thing in your franchise until 2025 = not that much fun for fans...
Just check out NY Knicks in NBA... if the gm is bad = bad things happening for lots of years...
Okay i wrote too much, i'm out...
RIP this NHL season anyways...