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Stop The Pain

Créé par: HatterTParty
Date de création initiale: 26 févr. 2020
Publié: 26 févr. 2020
Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago
Explications
A full rebuild really does seem like the only way this team can finally move forward. Stan, just let us lose with a purpose finally, or get the **** out of the way.

Kane mentioned in an article the other day that he isn’t sure if he’d be willing to wait out a full rebuild, so in this scenario I’m just gonna trade him.
Transactions
1.
CHI
  1. Lemieux, Brendan
  2. Smith, Brendan
  3. Chytil, Filip
  4. 2020 1e round pick (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
Pick is top 3 protected. I might be off on the players exchanged, but I’m not sure where lemieux stands and I thought a cap dump in smith cancels out chytil. I do know chytil is doing well though, so please be nice when you rip this trade apart.
NYR
  1. Strome, Dylan
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CGY)
2.
CHI
  1. Brink, Bobby [Liste de réserve]
  2. 2020 1e round pick (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
If Coleman gets a 1st and an A prospect, I have to imagine Saad could too.
PHI
  1. Saad, Brandon (3 000 000 $ retained)
3.
CHI
  1. 2020 3e round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Smith, Zack (1 250 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Good PK specialist for the playoffs.
4.
CHI
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Smith, Reilly
  3. 2020 1e round pick (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
Pick is lottery protected.
VGK
  1. Kane, Patrick (4 500 000 $ retained)
5.
CHI
  1. 2020 2e round pick (OTT)
  2. 2020 2e round pick (CBJ)
  3. 2021 2e round pick (CBJ)
OTT
  1. 2020 1e round pick (VGK)
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CHI)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Brandon Saad: 3 000 000 $ (60%)
  • Zack Smith: 1 250 000 $ (38.46%)
  • Patrick Kane: 4 500 000 $ (42.86%)
  • Brandon Saad: 1 000 000 $ (17%)
  • Olli Määttä: 750 108 $ (18%)
  • Marc-André Fleury: 3 500 000 $ (50%)
  • Robin Lehner: 2 500 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $69 770 127 $0 $5 672 500 $11 729 873 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Kubalik, Dominik
925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Toews, Jonathan
10 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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Caggiula, Drake
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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DeBrincat, Alex
778 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Dach, Kirby
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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Smith, Reilly
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Chytil, Filip
894 166 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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Krebs, Peyton
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 5
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Nylander, Alexander
863 333 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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Lemieux, Brendan
925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Kämpf, David
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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Carpenter, Ryan
1 000 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
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Highmore, Matthew
775 833 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Keith, Duncan
5 538 462 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
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Boqvist, Adam
894 167 $
DD
RFA - 3
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Crawford, Corey
6 000 000 $
G
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Määttä, Olli
3 333 225 $
DG
UFA - 3
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Murphy, Connor
3 850 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
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Subban, Malcolm
850 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Smith, Brendan
4 350 000 $
DG/DD, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de CHI
Carlsson, Lucas
792 500 $
DG
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Koekkoek, Slater
925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Shaw, Andrew
3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
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Seeler, Nick
725 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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Seabrook, Brent
6 875 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
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De Haan, Calvin
4 550 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3

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26 févr. 2020 à 2 h 28
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Agree that a full rebuild is the fastest way for the Hawks to return to greatness instead of just being mediocre in the future. It is time to move out players and start accumulating draft picks and going with the younger players to rebuild the Hawks.
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26 févr. 2020 à 2 h 29
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That Kane trade is awful and he'd rather go to the penguins grin
26 févr. 2020 à 2 h 34
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Quoting: pharrow
That Kane trade is awful and he'd rather go to the penguins grin


What do you think is fair compensation for Kane? I thought Krebs is great prospect and the 1rst round draft is good starting point but maybe Hawks would need another roster player from Knights.
26 févr. 2020 à 4 h 59
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Hey look, another unrealistic Chicago “blow it up” post.
26 févr. 2020 à 5 h 9
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my gut feel is kane would somehow end up in Buffalo
26 févr. 2020 à 8 h 21
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Quoting: pharrow
That Kane trade is awful and he'd rather go to the penguins grin


Boy, and here I was thinking Vegas would turn that trade down. A 1st, their top prospect, and a top six analytical darling who can get 60 points a year. Steep price.
26 févr. 2020 à 8 h 22
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my gut feel is kane would somehow end up in Buffalo


Problem is I have no clue where a buffalo trade would end up. Player wise, I have no idea who to include.
26 févr. 2020 à 8 h 23
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Hey look, another unrealistic Chicago “blow it up” post.


Glad I could keep my fellow rebuilders-to-be entertained.
26 févr. 2020 à 15 h 58
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What do you think is fair compensation for Kane? I thought Krebs is great prospect and the 1rst round draft is good starting point but maybe Hawks would need another roster player from Knights.


I don't think you could get CHI to trade him. Just to be honest. The cost would never outweigh the return due to age.
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26 févr. 2020 à 17 h 45
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I don't think you could get CHI to trade him. Just to be honest. The cost would never outweigh the return due to age.


I honestly based this trade off an interview he gave yesterday. In it, he supposedly said that he isn’t sure if he’d be willing to wait out a full rebuild for this team. So basically, I just said if we’re going full rebuild, thanks for your service kaner.
26 févr. 2020 à 18 h 35
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Quoting: HatterTParty
I honestly based this trade off an interview he gave yesterday. In it, he supposedly said that he isn’t sure if he’d be willing to wait out a full rebuild for this team. So basically, I just said if we’re going full rebuild, thanks for your service kaner.


yeah I get that. But it's the team you have to convince. He's still a 90-100 point player, a proven goal scorer capable of putting up 30-40 goals, he's not some 20 goal assist guy like marner.
He's got 3 years term left given he's in his 30s but there is no reason to believe he can't play at a high level at 32, 33.
The cost of that isn't going to be some lottery protected picks. Late rounder at that and a mid round 1st prospect and a guy like Smith.
I think if they moved him, they would want multiple 1st round picks and prospects back. It makes no sense to take a 28 year old guy in Smith.
Which is why I don't see this happening because you are looking at a very large return on a guy like this. This would be a huge trade bigger than say Karlsson's who they had no control over.

That's why I say I don't see this trade happening. The ask would be astronomical. It would only be worth it to a cup contender and he's only be willing to go to one based on the comments. Most of which don't have the assets to make it happen.
26 févr. 2020 à 18 h 45
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yeah I get that. But it's the team you have to convince. He's still a 90-100 point player, a proven goal scorer capable of putting up 30-40 goals, he's not some 20 goal assist guy like marner.
He's got 3 years term left given he's in his 30s but there is no reason to believe he can't play at a high level at 32, 33.
The cost of that isn't going to be some lottery protected picks. Late rounder at that and a mid round 1st prospect and a guy like Smith.
I think if they moved him, they would want multiple 1st round picks and prospects back. It makes no sense to take a 28 year old guy in Smith.
Which is why I don't see this happening because you are looking at a very large return on a guy like this. This would be a huge trade bigger than say Karlsson's who they had no control over.

That's why I say I don't see this trade happening. The ask would be astronomical. It would only be worth it to a cup contender and he's only be willing to go to one based on the comments. Most of which don't have the assets to make it happen.


That’s a very fair assumption and evaluation of Kane. I like what you had to say. To be honest I, if we could get a 1st, 2nd, and a decent prospect or two, I’d take it if it meant the long term health of the team. I might make another AGM tonight to reflect that.
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