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How are you not hyped about this lineup

Créé par: Zwui21
Date de création initiale: fév 24, 2020
Publié: 24 fév à 17 h 51
Équipe: 2019-20 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
Yes, a 1st rounder for Goodrow kinda stings.

But.

Look at his contract and cap hit. Just like Coleman, Goodrow is necessary for the team to re-sign Cirelli, Cernak and Sergachev AND stay very competitive next season.

Also: this is lineup porn. Top 9 filled with 20 goals scorers, a lot of toughness and grit.
This is the best Lightning lineup we've EVER seen.
Rachats de contrats
  • Matthew Carle: 1 833 333 $
  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
Enfoui
  • Mike Condon: 1 325 000 $ (2 400 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TBL
TBL
PHI
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
NJD
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $82 294 998 $0 $1 180 000 $-794 998 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 8
TBL
Coleman, Blake
1 800 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
728 333 $
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Killorn, Alex
4 450 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
5 300 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Goodrow, Barclay
925 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
5 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 6
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Rutta, Jan
1 300 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Cernak, Erik
697 500 $
DD
RFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
894 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
1 750 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Bogosian, Zach
1 300 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
700 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
TBL
Schenn, Luke
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2

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24 fév à 17 h 55
#1
Jetsfan
Rejoint: sep 2017
Messages: 4,713
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You guys are damn lucky that you havent had the injuries that most teams have had...All your stars have played 90%+ of the games
24 fév à 17 h 55
#2
GoCanada
Rejoint: déc 2017
Messages: 3,593
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Right Side needs work for defence, other than that it's a perfect lineup.
Try
Hedman-Sergachev
McDonagh-Rutta
Cernak-Shattenkirk
24 fév à 17 h 58
#3
Démarrer sujet
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 1,246
Mentions "j'aime": 478
Quoting: jassan28
Right Side needs work for defence, other than that it's a perfect lineup.
Try
Hedman-Sergachev
McDonagh-Rutta
Cernak-Shattenkirk

Hedman-Rutta have been amazing this season together. They complement each others very well.
McDonagh-Cernak has been the best Lightning defensive pair for 2 seasons now.
Sergachev-Shattenkirk they just play good together. Sergachev limits Shattenkirk mistakes
jassan28 a aimé ceci.
24 fév à 18 h 11
#4
BOLT LOVER
Rejoint: déc 2018
Messages: 2,120
Mentions "j'aime": 358
Agree on the 12 up front as best "cup ready" top 12 Lightning has ever had .. REALLY needed size and grit and move TJ and Gourde to irrelevant as we had no Cup chance with them. The fact that this will accelerate their moves after season is great for 2020 cap. I would rather rotate sitting them and playing Verhegee but let it play out.

Still nervous on D .. Hedman goes down we are screwed just like last year. We have THREE Defenseman currently out and 2 haven't played in a. month or more .. Sergachev has improved greatly since December but hasnt done it in the playoffs.. etc. etc.. .. still lots of moving pieces on back end but yes I love the forward group and want to put a stake in the heart of shrimp approach on e and for all.

Side note.. what an amazing last 10 days of NHL trades!!!!! .. ps San Jose 3rd is almost like a late 2nd .. the trade picks are probably less than 40 picks apart
24 fév à 18 h 14
#5
BOLT LOVER
Rejoint: déc 2018
Messages: 2,120
Mentions "j'aime": 358
Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Agree on the 12 up front as best "cup ready" top 12 Lightning has ever had .. REALLY needed size and grit and move TJ and Gourde to irrelevant as we had no Cup chance with them. The fact that this will accelerate their moves after season is great for 2020 cap. I would rather rotate sitting them and playing Verhegee but let it play out.

Still nervous on D .. Hedman goes down we are screwed just like last year. We have THREE Defenseman currently out and 2 haven't played in a. month or more .. Sergachev has improved greatly since December but hasnt done it in the playoffs.. etc. etc.. .. still lots of moving pieces on back end but yes I love the forward group and want to put a stake in the heart of shrimp approach once and for all.

Side note.. what an amazing last 10 days of NHL trades!!!!! .. ps San Jose 3rd is almost like a late 2nd .. the trade picks are probably less than 40 picks apart
25 fév à 1 h 09
#6
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Rejoint: nov 2018
Messages: 452
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1

Side note.. what an amazing last 10 days of NHL trades!!!!! .. ps San Jose 3rd is almost like a late 2nd .. the trade picks are probably less than 40 picks apart


It's not San Jose Sharks pick... it's the Philadelphia Flyers pick, much worse... as philly will make the playoffs 90%+, and SJ is close to a good lottery team most likely(they gifted their first to ottawa for Karlsson, sux for them)
25 fév à 1 h 25
#7
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Rejoint: nov 2018
Messages: 452
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Modifié 25 fév à 1 h 35
Quoting: Zwui21
Hedman-Rutta have been amazing this season together. They complement each others very well.
McDonagh-Cernak has been the best Lightning defensive pair for 2 seasons now.
Sergachev-Shattenkirk they just play good together. Sergachev limits Shattenkirk mistakes


No, Hedman carries Rutta...
Just like he carried Girardi. Was Girardi good? No. He could block some shots... Others can do the same...
Rutta sux... You will realize it sooner or later... He is hopeless, just like Koekkoekk in Chicago Blackhawks. You can't fix these guys... when something is missing. I mean they have couple years to improve, but it's doubtful.
Odds are Rutta not good enough in the playoffs, when Crosby gets the puck, we just allow 1 goal... If you get my groove...
The other pairs are also doubtful, cause injuries happening with every team on the D-side... those pairs will not work like that after 10-15 games in the playoffs...
You need deep D-core. Carolina + St. Louis has the best ones... They have leak on goaltending + forwards injury prone because of the style they play... But St. Louis Blues already won the cup so they are fine whatever result is this year for them... but we still have 0 cups, so we really shouldn't expect Rutta to hold the fort when Pastrnak or Ovechkin gets the puck...

You have to understand regular season not equal to playoffs success...
IF Kucherov gets pushed around and we struggle again... our Goals fowarded stats can go down to under 2.0.... again... again... again... in regular season it's 3.5
3.5 = lots of wins
2.0 = lots of loses = rip dreams

Last year St. Louis had around 2.5 both of these stats, they outgrinded the opponent. We can't do the same. We need those goals... And usually they disappear come playoff time. That's why you can't base your success on Rutta or Schenn. Those guys just not good.

Washington got Dillon for example. That guy is good.
If we had Dillon in our lineup i would be much more confident on going deep this year...
But we don't have it. Thanks to BriseBois. We have huge leaks on our D-core...

Yes it's good enough to win the cup, as the odds shows 11.1% by hockey-reference.com - advanced stat site....
Bookmakers will make the same odds... Lightning top5 favorite ofc... but if we don't win , don't be surprised that Rutta was one of the reasons... Together with Coburn + Schenn + others... = D-core

I still expect lights out hockey in every single game in the playoffs, but that doesn't mean we win the whole thing with a D-core like this. We need a lot of luck as well...

Why Boston made the finals last year? 5 upsets in a row... If we meet Boston last year in 2nd round... we crush them most likely... they got lucky until the final... their opponent was: Carolina playoffs newbie team = failed miserably vs them... We need same kind of luck. Sorry if i look too harsh on Rutta. But i just want to open your eyes, and focus on him, when things are going bad.
If we win 5-0 who cares, that Rutta plays bad or not... But if we lose 5-3 vs Vegas. You can clearly see it was Coburn/Schenn's fault... mainly....
Same thing in playoffs... when we lose... just remember: Rutta SUX cry
This thing is 2 different things: Losing in the playoffs = out = rip season = need the best players you can get
If Rutta was good or Gustaffson. Chicago would've kept them...
Chicago won some cups... they know what's up...
If Rutta will play good in meaningful games... i will tip my hat for him... until then i just expect that the reality will happen = he will paly bad when the opponent = super strong. All 4 lines... it's easy to be good when opponent is Buffalo abres, then a injury plagued Pittsburgh before trade deadline.
Now every team is stronger... don't focus too much on past... those games were meaningless = Rutta can play good. In the playoffs every mini error results = 1 goal = 1 loss = 1 step closer to being eliminated.
If our D-core would've been awesome last 6 years = Cups. It just wasn't good enough...

We had same arguments about other players in the past... You need to learn to evaluate players based on their whole career... Not just last 20 games... last 1 year...
Reality so far Stamkos = choking in the playoffs
2020 Stamkos in playoffs = ???
It will be an upset and we probably win the cup if he averages 1.0 point/game and be positive on the plus-minus chart in the playoffs... but that's still not the reality...

Just like Rutta being = amazing . We can just hope for the best = pray that he will be...
Past history shows, he wouldn't make the NHL roster on most other teams, except as a bottom 6 guy sheltered minutes vs 4th line...
 
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