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May as well at this point

Créé par: AFOX10900
Date de création initiale: fév 22, 2020
Publié: Feb 22 at 2:12 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Ducks d'Anaheim
Explications
Obviously GMBM will not make all these moves, he's shown today that he really has no clue how to manage a team, this team was not so many pieces away from contending that they needed a complete and utter tear down, but you don't trade your young top 6 player under team control for years (he's an RFA when his current contract expires) when good top 6 forwards are nearly as big a need as RHD, and you don't get one back, unless you're starting a full on teardown, yes they got Axel back, you could argue that he fills that RHD need, but I doubt he ever becomes more than a right handed Jacob Larsson... Solid bottom pairing guy, but nothing more, those aren't hard to come by, nor do we lack them...


Holzer has signed a pact with the devil/GMBM that he will remain a duck for eternity and every first traded is lotto protected
Transactions
ANA
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. 2020 1e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Rakell, Rickard
Détails additionnels:
Variants of this trade always go over well...
ANA
  1. 2021 1e round pick (BUF)
  2. 2020 4e round pick (BUF)
Lotto protected 2020 first, assuming it transfers to 2021
BUF
  1. Henrique, Adam (1 825 000 $ retained)
ANA
  1. 2020 4e round pick (TBL)
  2. 2021 7e round pick (NJD)
TBL
  1. Rowney, Carter (560 888 $ retained)
ANA
  1. 2020 2e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Grant, Derek
ANA
  1. 2020 4e round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Shore, Devin
Détails additionnels:
Short term contract, just the thing Sakic loves
ANA
  1. 2020 4e round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Deslauriers, Nicolas
Détails additionnels:
Dallas, plz take 1 fighty boi
ANA
  1. Cogliano, Andrew
  2. 2020 1e round pick (DAL)
Détails additionnels:
Hanzal if he's not LTIRed to make the cap work
DAL
  1. Silfverberg, Jakob
Détails additionnels:
Slightly ambitious with his contract, but with the market this year, I could see a team paying it
ANA
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
  3. 2021 1e round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 2e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. Ritchie, Nick
Détails additionnels:
1 underrated gritty boi, plus one very good DFD
ANA
  1. 2020 3e round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Del Zotto, Michael
Détails additionnels:
If Scandella can get a second+...
ANA
  1. 2020 5e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Gudbranson, Erik (2 000 000 $ retained)
ANA
  1. Weegar, MacKenzie
  2. 2020 2e round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Fowler, Cam
Détails additionnels:
This goes against my principle of tearing everything to studs, but Weegar is just too good (and too undervalued on here at least) to pass up on
ANA
  1. Salomäki, Miikka
  2. 2020 2e round pick (NSH)
NSH
  1. Larsson, Jacob
Rachats de contrats
  • Corey Perry: 2 625 000 $
  • Simon Despres: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Adam Henrique: 1 825 000 $ (31,33%)
  • Carter Rowney: 560 888 $ (49,49%)
  • Erik Gudbranson: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
ANA
BOS
EDM
DAL
ANA
NYI
TOR
FLA
NSH
ANA
VGK
BUF
TBL
COL
DAL
ANA
WPG
ANA
2021
ANA
BUF
TOR
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
NJD
2022
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $49 588 110 $0 $3 397 500 $31 911 890 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
ANA
Comtois, Maxime
820 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
ANA
Getzlaf, Ryan
8 250 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 2
ANA
Terry, Troy
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
DAL
Cogliano, Andrew
3 250 000 $
AG, AD, C
NTC
UFA - 2
ANA
Steel, Sam
863 333 $
C
RFA - 2
ANA
Sprong, Daniel
750 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
ANA
Jones, Max
863 333 $
AG
RFA - 2
ANA
Lundeström, Isac
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
ANA
Sherwood, Kiefer
925 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
NSH
Salomäki, Miikka
750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
675 000 $
C
RFA - 1
ANA
Backes, David
4 500 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
5 205 556 $
DG
UFA - 3
FLA
Weegar, MacKenzie
1 600 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
ANA
Gibson, John
6 400 000 $
G
UFA - 8
ANA
Mahura, Josh
745 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
894 167 $
DD
RFA - 3
ANA
Miller, Ryan
1 125 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Guhle, Brendan
697 500 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
ANA
Carrick, Sam
700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
6 875 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
ANA
Holzer, Korbinian
850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
ANA
Eaves, Patrick
3 150 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1

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22 fév à 2 h 41
#1
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If the Ducks hit on even half of those 2020 draft choices in a real deep draft I think they will be off to the races in rebuilding the team while LA and San Jose will continue to flounder for years.
22 fév à 6 h 07
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Not sure I agree with your assessment on the Kase deal. BM tried to trade Kase earlier in the year, so he clearly wasn't keen on him and his injury problems. Even last year he expressed his frustrations with the team's seeming inability to stay healthy and Kase was a big part of that, missing most of the season. Not wanting to build your core around a guy who likely never plays 60+ games a year and is 1 concussion away from retirement sounds seems smart to me. If you're dissatisfied with the return on Kase, I understand, but I don't think this signifies the beginning of a tear-down rebuild. With that said, I LOVE the Rakell deal, especially if we get Laf or even another forward with our 1st. Grant trade should be between a 2nd or 3rd, hopefully. MDZ likely only nets us a 5th-7th. I'd trade Shore for whatever we can get. The rest I wouldn't trade personally.
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22 fév à 9 h 31
#3
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laugh You're not getting Bouchard and Edmonton's 1st for Rakell, No way he's worth that much. And for the last time Fowler carries a 4 team trade list and no way Florida is on it. Reportedly the only Eastern Conference team he'd waive for is hometown Detroit all others are in the west. So those deals aren't happening.
22 fév à 10 h 45
#4
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Quoting: mytduxfan
Not sure I agree with your assessment on the Kase deal. BM tried to trade Kase earlier in the year, so he clearly wasn't keen on him and his injury problems. Even last year he expressed his frustrations with the team's seeming inability to stay healthy and Kase was a big part of that, missing most of the season. Not wanting to build your core around a guy who likely never plays 60+ games a year and is 1 concussion away from retirement sounds seems smart to me. If you're dissatisfied with the return on Kase, I understand, but I don't think this signifies the beginning of a tear-down rebuild. With that said, I LOVE the Rakell deal, especially if we get Laf or even another forward with our 1st. Grant trade should be between a 2nd or 3rd, hopefully. MDZ likely only nets us a 5th-7th. I'd trade Shore for whatever we can get. The rest I wouldn't trade personally.


Just bc GMBM didn't want to keep him doesn't mean we should have traded him, he's like 24 and is a legitimate top 6 forward, even with the injury concerns I don't see a reason to trade him when legit top 6 forwards are a team need, at his age, he'll be one of our better forwards for the duration of our "window" unless you're doing a tear down to the studs rebuild he should not be traded, maybe once we actually have a top 6 forward or two aside from him and Raks (in the next group of forwards) MAYBE trade him, but even then, he's better than Terry Steel Lundestrom Comtois etc other than Zegras, not saying we should build around him, just saying at his age it's not smart to trade him, Raks deal I've seen like 20 times over the past few days, yeah probably with MDZ, but like Scandella DID get a second lol, I'd agree with Shore, and I'd do all the other trades, they put us in a better spot than rn without Kase, though we all know GMBM wouldn't do any of these trades bc he can't evaluate players at all
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22 fév à 10 h 47
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
laugh You're not getting Bouchard and Edmonton's 1st for Rakell, No way he's worth that much. And for the last time Fowler carries a 4 team trade list and no way Florida is on it. Reportedly the only Eastern Conference team he'd waive for is hometown Detroit all others are in the west. So those deals aren't happening.


First thing I said was this is not at all realistic, and that trade I stole from like 20 other ducks posts lol, and again with the not realistic thing, maybe Fowler would waive once he sees we're going into a rebuild lol
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22 fév à 19 h 06
#6
First NY Then LA
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I love reading your posts. I spend more time on your semi-serious stuff than I spend on most people's deadly serious stuff, and your really serious stuff is pretty much always dead on.
22 fév à 22 h 53
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I love reading your posts. I spend more time on your semi-serious stuff than I spend on most people's deadly serious stuff, and your really serious stuff is pretty much always dead on.


Ty
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22 fév à 23 h 43
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Buffalo is not giving you a 1st and a 4th for a 30 year old with that contract
23 fév à 0 h 07
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Quoting: Swagmaster
Buffalo is not giving you a 1st and a 4th for a 30 year old with that contract


And that's why I retained nearly 2 million dollars
23 fév à 6 h 07
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Quoting: AFOX10900
And that's why I retained nearly 2 million dollars


The length still sucks and sorry in two years he will not be worth be worth 4 million. Hard pass. And Buffalo is sure not giving up a first anyways
23 fév à 10 h 29
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Quoting: Swagmaster
The length still sucks and sorry in two years he will not be worth be worth 4 million. Hard pass. And Buffalo is sure not giving up a first anyways


I mean he's a legit 2C who hasn't shown any signs of regression yet, he's having one of his better years, even analytically he's still solid, and most players start falling off analytically a year or two before they fall off points wise so... And the first can either keep going back till it's not lotto protected, or eventually just go to a second, idc lol
23 fév à 12 h 21
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Quoting: AFOX10900
I mean he's a legit 2C who hasn't shown any signs of regression yet, he's having one of his better years, even analytically he's still solid, and most players start falling off analytically a year or two before they fall off points wise so... And the first can either keep going back till it's not lotto protected, or eventually just go to a second, idc lol


No thank you especially not a first and will be 30 with 4 more years . Buffalo still needs the picks to build depth in the system all pissed away by previous GM by bad drafting and even worse trades
23 fév à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Swagmaster
No thank you especially not a first and will be 30 with 4 more years . Buffalo still needs the picks to build depth in the system all pissed away by previous GM by bad drafting and even worse trades


I mean he just turned 30, but what else would you be willing to give up for a legit 2C
23 fév à 14 h 28
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Quoting: AFOX10900
I mean he just turned 30, but what else would you be willing to give up for a legit 2C


He is too old for this core going forward. We will get a 2c in the off season. There are a few younger that will be available who are much younger and their current team is cash strapped. Could offer sheet them at 5 to 6 million for 5 years and it would cost less than you want. We are shedding age and bad contracts finally no need to take it on . We are still in Recovery mode from Tim Murray. Also Cozens will probably be here next year and Middlestadt should be developed properly.
23 fév à 14 h 39
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Quoting: Swagmaster
He is too old for this core going forward. We will get a 2c in the off season. There are a few younger that will be available who are much younger and their current team is cash strapped. Could offer sheet them at 5 to 6 million for 5 years and it would cost less than you want. We are shedding age and bad contracts finally no need to take it on . We are still in Recovery mode from Tim Murray. Also Cozens will probably be here next year and Middlestadt should be developed properly.


I guess I just misjudged your position then, I was assuming you guys thought you were 1-2 pieces away (one of which being a legit 2C) from contending
23 fév à 14 h 51
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Quoting: AFOX10900
I guess I just misjudged your position then, I was assuming you guys thought you were 1-2 pieces away (one of which being a legit 2C) from contending


There are much better options at 2C this summer . not making a trade for the sake of making a trade. Certainly not for a player already thirty with 4 years left on his contract after this season
 
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