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Realistic Cirelli Sergachev and Cernak signings

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Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 17 févr. 2020
Publié: 21 févr. 2020
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I see so many folks putting Sergachev and Cirelli just over $3m a year in cap. Even with home team discounts and bridge deals, the market value for Sergachev and Cirelli are really high and they will get paid a solid amount by JBB. Cernak is playing top 4 minutes, so he too will have a solid bridge deal.

We would still be over a $84m cap when moving Killorn and Gourde. Would we need to trade away another forward?
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21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 28
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Congrats those are realistic. Only issue is you still dont have a backup goalie or a full roster and are still over
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 37
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There isn’t a chance that u get cirelli for that ottawa would easily offer sheet him for 6X6
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21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 38
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Considering Colin White got 4.75 for 6 years after 1 year, Cirelli should get exactly what you put even with the taxes in Florida.
Sergachev should get the McAvoy contract but a bit less because of the taxes.
Guys like Cernak and Dermott should be getting the Brandon Carlo contract
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21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 38
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And why is Gourde waiving his NTC to go MTL? Not throwing stones, but he’ll make more in Tampa, and be on a perennial contender.
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 39
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There isn’t a chance that u get cirelli for that ottawa would easily offer sheet him for 6X6


Would have to be 5 years so you dont pass the 6.4 mill bracket
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 39
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Yeah you're still 3 players short and $1.15 million over the cap. Looks like realistic signings for all 3. But still need to trade another bad contract.
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 40
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Congrats those are realistic. Only issue is you still dont have a backup goalie or a full roster and are still over


One would assume someone will be forced to waive. Johnson/Gourde/Palat/McDonagh
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 42
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Quoting: csick
One would assume someone will be forced to waive. Johnson/Gourde/Palat/McDonagh


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One would assume someone will be forced to waive. Johnson/Gourde/Palat/McDonagh


How do you force someone to waive their clause? Seems like you should, like I don’t know, not give them a clause in the first place if you are just gonna try and muscle them out.
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21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 42
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Trade Johnson your over the cap
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 43
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How do you force someone to waive their clause? Seems like you should, like I don’t know, not give them a clause in the first place if you are just gonna try and muscle them out.


Find something against them. Threaten to make their life miserable if they dont
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 45
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Quoting: csick
Find something against them. Threaten to make their life miserable if they dont


Seems unlikely to happen, I don’t see gourde waiving at all
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 48
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And why is Gourde waiving his NTC to go MTL? Not throwing stones, but he’ll make more in Tampa, and be on a perennial contender.


Why would Montreal want to pay ~5.2 mil a year for 5 years for a guy with 8 goals??? His play is his ntc.

It cost Tor a 1st for 6.4 mil. How many 1 st for 26 mil????
21 févr. 2020 à 13 h 50
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Quoting: papishark
Congrats those are realistic. Only issue is you still dont have a backup goalie or a full roster and are still over


Agree, even with having Killorn and Gourde traded, this shows Tampa Bay will have to dump more than just two trades.
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21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 0
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Agree, even with having Killorn and Gourde traded, this shows Tampa Bay will have to dump more than just two trades.


McDonagh and Johnson are possibilities. Convince Johnson to waive to go play 2C somewhere where they need him. Trade McDonagh for futures. I guess its easier for these players to waive if they win the cup this year
21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 2
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Quoting: Tblecavalier4
Agree, even with having Killorn and Gourde traded, this shows Tampa Bay will have to dump more than just two trades.


Im thinking maybe they end up dumping someone big, because the guys with NMC dont have to do anything.
21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 4
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Quoting: nhlfan29
There isn’t a chance that u get cirelli for that ottawa would easily offer sheet him for 6X6


This guy talking as if someone would actually accept an offer sheet from Ottawa lmao
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21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 7
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Why would Montreal want to pay ~5.2 mil a year for 5 years for a guy with 8 goals??? His play is his ntc.

It cost Tor a 1st for 6.4 mil. How many 1 st for 26 mil????


I agree. Just was pointing out from the players perspective which you'd have to convince first before talking to another team.
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21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 10
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You call these realistic projections...
5.25M for Cirelli is not a bridge, that's what he'll get on a long term deal. His comparable is probably Couturier who came into the league as an 18 year old, he signed a 2 year bridge at 1.75M 2.7% of the cap. 2.7% of a 82.5 cap is 2.25, so maybe you give Cirelli a bit more cause he produced a little more offense so you have 2.5M. Add a 3rd year of contract and you end up in the 3-3.3M ballpark.

For Cernak his comparables vary. You got a Nurse who got 3.2, then Pulock got 2, McCabe 1.6 and Petterson 875k. The first three got 2 year bridges while Petterson took a one year deal. Nurse was the 7th overall so got paid more for that than true production, the others were mid first to early mid 2nd. Cernak probably gets 1.9M for two years.

Sergachev is the one who will most likely clear 5M. McAvoy got 4.9 and Werenski got 5 so he's comparable to them. But definitely not 6.
21 févr. 2020 à 14 h 20
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Are you high? How is this realistic in anyway possible? I can understand a bridge deal for Cirelli, but those dollar signs for Cernak and Sergachev are close to what they'd get in a long term contract... Teams that follow Toronto's foot steps with contracts will follow their same fate, no Stanley Cups.

Sergachev: 5.5-6M long term
Cernak: 3.5-4.75M long term
Cirelli: 6M long term, bridge deal probably around 3.5-4.75M x 2 or 3 years
21 févr. 2020 à 19 h 40
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You call these realistic projections...
5.25M for Cirelli is not a bridge, that's what he'll get on a long term deal. His comparable is probably Couturier who came into the league as an 18 year old, he signed a 2 year bridge at 1.75M 2.7% of the cap. 2.7% of a 82.5 cap is 2.25, so maybe you give Cirelli a bit more cause he produced a little more offense so you have 2.5M. Add a 3rd year of contract and you end up in the 3-3.3M ballpark.

For Cernak his comparables vary. You got a Nurse who got 3.2, then Pulock got 2, McCabe 1.6 and Petterson 875k. The first three got 2 year bridges while Petterson took a one year deal. Nurse was the 7th overall so got paid more for that than true production, the others were mid first to early mid 2nd. Cernak probably gets 1.9M for two years.

Sergachev is the one who will most likely clear 5M. McAvoy got 4.9 and Werenski got 5 so he's comparable to them. But definitely not 6.


I think this is actually pretty close based on how Tampa does things, and not basing it on Toronto and other inflated contracts. I'd say Cirelli around 4, 4.5 max, Sergachev at 5 tops, could definitely see 4.5 or so and Cernak at 1.9 to 2.5 tops is about right. When Tampa gets them signed for ~11 million many will be shocked but not those of us who follow Tampa closely.
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25 févr. 2020 à 3 h 29
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3rd pairing D-mens for 6 million $ bridge? LUL Show me one! LUL
 
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