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Créé par: Tarlam01

Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 19 févr. 2020

Publié: 19 févr. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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First of all, I want to tell you that all the moves I made were tought, realistic and GOOD for the three teams.

Let's start with the Habs: We all know that this season is already over and I think it's time to make a real rebuild with this team. I think it's time to trade Petry, Tatar and Kovalchuk who have a lot of value on the market right now due to contract duration and capsize of these. Petry has the value of two mid 1e round pick while Tatar worth a 1e mid and a 2e mid and Kovalchuk a 2e mid. Keep these value in mind to make a trade comparison. Montreal badly needs an A defencemen prospect. Besides Romanov there are no real contenders to make it in their top 4 so that's why Byram would be a great addition even if he's not becoming a Quinn Hughes or a Cale Makar no. 2. Having another 1e round pick is also a good start at rebuilding.

Avs perspective: Avs have a really deep lineup in both defensive and offensive. Having Tatar and Dadonov whos has contract issue with FLA would give them an outstanding offense while Matheson woukd be an edge over Zadorov. With injuries to both forwards Kadri and Wilson I think adding two 60 points forwards would be a logical move. They already have a really young group of defencemen with Girard, Makar and we could also put Matheson with them so I think they could let go Byram in exchange of a really high chance of winning the Stanley cup. They also don't really touch to their deep prospect talent besides Byram departures. Byram worths a high 1e round while Zadorov value is around an high 2e round. Having a stanley cup have a cost !

Panthers perspective: When your out of the playoffs, you have contract issues with one of your best forwards and you are on the edge of death with your cap space, you're in big troubles. I think Kovalcuk could do the same job as Dadonov for this year for only 700k. Having also Petry on your PP and your first pair is a luxe that a lot of teams can't have. What's better ? You gain cap space with Matheson departures ! With the ability to thank up next year as well with Petry's contract and a backup plan with some ok draft picks is a beginning for them. They could also make the playoffs this year ! Dadonov's value is around a mid 1e and a mid 2e while Matheson is a mid 2e plus a mid 3e.

Share your opinions on the commentary zone :)

PS: I'm from Quebec so there are maybe errors in the text :P

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MTL

Byram, Bowen
Zadorov, Nikita
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (COL)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (COL)

Détails additionnels:

3e round pick becomes a 2e round pick if Dadonov resign.

COL

Tatar, Tomas
Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (MTL)

MTL

Abols, Rodrigo
Dadonov, Evgeni
Matheson, Michael
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (FLA)

Détails additionnels:

1e round pick top 5 protected.

FLA

Kovalchuk, Ilya
Petry, Jeff
Vejdemo, Lukas
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (STL)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (COL)

MTL

3 way trade completion.

COL

Rachats de contrats

Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)

Enfoui

Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
Keith Kinkaid: 675 000 $ (1 750 000 $)
Matthew Peca: 225 000 $ (1 300 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	68 049 642 $	0 $	627 500 $	13 450 358 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Domi, Max 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Weise, Dale 2 350 000 $2 350 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
	Danault, Phillip 3 083 333 $3 083 333 $ C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Weal, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C, AD, AG UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Lehkonen, Artturi 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Thompson, Nate 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C UFA - 1
	Cousins, Nick 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1
	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) C UFA - 3
	Teasdale, Joël 763 333 $763 333 $ (70 000 $$70K) AD, AG UFA - 3
	Abols, Rodrigo 817 500 $817 500 $ (132 500 $$132K) C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chiarot, Ben 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 7	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 7
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3		Lindgren, Charlie 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 2
Mete, Victor 748 333 $748 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Folin, Christian 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Ouellet, Xavier 700 000 $700 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Byram, Bowen 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 4
Zadorov, Nikita 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 4

Stones6160

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 6

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Forgot to talk about Zadorov :/.

Zadorov would be a great acquisition for the Habs with the holes behind Petry and Scandella departures. He could play great hockey for the next couole of years

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 6

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The Avs aren’t giving up Byram for Tatar

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 7

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Quoting: StoneFan

Pretty fast respond for my 2 hours work lol read the articles please because this is fair for the three teams

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 11

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Quoting: Spleenmaster1002

The Avs aren’t giving up Byram for Tatar

Would you give a high 1e round pick for two 1e round pick (mid) and two 2e round pick (mid) ? I think your a troll because this is the pure value and this is so much better for Colorado than Montreal

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 15

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Would you give a high 1e round pick for two 1e round pick (mid) and two 2e round pick (mid) ? I think your a troll because this is the pure value and this is so much better for Colorado than Montreal

Oh for the Playoffs it is. But no.
Byram can get a faaaar better return than just Tatar. And then you add Zadorov, the value is off, then you add a 3rd for a 4th
No
Florida thinks but says no
Petry ain’t worth Dadonov
Kovalchuk ain’t worth a first
Let alone add Matheson
Sure you added picks but nope

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 16

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Would you give a high 1e round pick for two 1e round pick (mid) and two 2e round pick (mid) ? I think your a troll because this is the pure value and this is so much better for Colorado than Montreal

Byram is pretty much untouchable for the Avs, and they have other assets they would rather trade for rentals such as their 1st, Kaut, Timmins, and Jost. Any combination of those assets can land them a good rental such as Kreider, no need to give up their best prospect.

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 16

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What an absolute train wreck. Byram and zadorov for a pending ufa, a dman who is forced to be a 4th line winger bc he’s bad and Tatar

Please stop, unreal how bad Montreal fans are at this

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 17

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Pretty fast respond for my 2 hours work lol read the articles please because this is fair for the three teams

This is interesting. I think Colorado actually does pretty well here value-wise. They get two dynamic top-six forwards (one a rental, and the other signed for another year), plus a young-ish top 4 defenseman. They give up their best prospect and another young D, plus two mid-round picks. Their top 9 forward group would be loaded, and Matheson would round out their top six D with Johnson, Girard, Makar, Graves, and Timmins long term. I think they come out winners here if you look at this in a vacuum. HOWEVER, I think this is over kill. Too much going on, too many significant changes for a team that has found success with great chemistry. Interesting idea though.

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 19

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@Tarlam01 The Avs are not going to trade the best defensive prospect currently not in the NHL. It's just not happening. Stop trying to make it happen. I don't care if Tatar and Dadonov bring offense, they're both 30-ish and likely heading out of their primes shortly. The Avs are built for the long haul. Their window is just opening and trading away Byram for that lot, let alone at all, is nonsensical.

Don't mean to piss all over your two hours of work, but it just doesn't make sense. If the Avs were the Blues, the Lightning, or the Bruins? This move might make sense because their windows are closing and they know it.

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19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 19

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Quoting: Mergus80

Matheson has a huge contract. Col says no
Dadonov eh
Tatar eh aswell

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 25

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Would you give a high 1e round pick for two 1e round pick (mid) and two 2e round pick (mid) ? I think your a troll because this is the pure value and this is so much better for Colorado than Montreal

No he’s not a troll, it’s only Montreal fans that are delusional thinking avs are moving byram as trade bait

When it’s that opposite, avs beat writers are hearing that they have plans to add byram to the playoff roster as soon as his season is done

19 févr. 2020 à 21 h 27

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Pretty fast respond for my 2 hours work lol read the articles please because this is fair for the three teams

Sorry about your 2 hours. But no. Byram is intouchable, whatever midrange players you wrap up

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19 févr. 2020 à 22 h 30

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Well at least guys it's not like the other crazy as hell trades there are about avs and mtl but I honestly think if the avs want to win right now this is a good deal for them. Tatar abd Dadonov each have already 20 goals so there is value here and big one. Is Sakic going to move Byram? Probably not. But surely this kid has A LOT of potential but the thing with the prospects is that you're not sure if he'll become a glorious player. It's a coin flip. Surely it's more 90 and 10 than 50-50 for him lol but if Sakic decide to move him he won't be that jealous. He gets what this kid deserve but nobody would give him more for that trust me

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 0

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Quoting: jpsnow13

Sorry about your 2 hours. But no. Byram is intouchable, whatever midrange players you wrap

Quoting: Foppa21

Yeah probably but MB is not an idiot. I don't think he's willing to trade for Conor Timmins who is more a coin flip than something else. If you're saying so Newhook and Byram would be untouchable. Without those you don't have a lot assets to trade either for Tatar or Kreider. Boston is willing to pay way more than Sakic is offering. The window is closing.... Avs have to make moves for the next years because they are missing something and I don't think that Byram is going to have an impact this year and next year as well. He's destroying WHL yeah for sure but a late (19 yo) defencemen well drafted IS going to destroy the WHL. Ty Smith did it for the past 3 years. Is he better than Byram????......

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 24

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Let them pay more then, Avs are in no rush. Joe Sakic literally just said as much in a live interview. As for Timmins, he could play in the NHL on a good number of teams right now. Go look at the stats if you don't believe me. And with regards to assets, there are plenty of players behind Newhook and Byram. The Athletic ranked our prospect pool at number 5...so maybe get your facts straight?

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 26

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Why wouldn’t Florida and Colorado cut out the middle man and just deal with each other? The last player the panthers need is Kovalchuk who is a cherry picker making it even harder on Bob who is struggling. And I’m sure they’d prefer Dadanov and Matheson over Petry and Kovalchuk.

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 31

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Quoting: Pensfan89

Dadonov won't be there next year tho

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 34

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Dadonov won't be there next year tho

So? Neither would Kovalchuk. And if the panthers were just gonna take on Petry’s cap hit, they could just try and re-sign Dadanov instead.

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 39

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Quoting: Foppa21

Has for the habs perspective you have 4 interestinting prospects. Byram, Newhook, Kaut and Timmins. Timmins could play on a good umber of team. Is he better than Cale Fleury? The answer is 41 games vs 2 games. We are jn no needs of a 6th defencemen. As for Kaut yeah it's a good assets and he's pretty interesting but alone with a 1e round pick Tatar and Kreider worth a lot more. Just look at Coleman who is basically two times worst than Kreider and Tatar. Want a stanley cup? It has a cost

19 févr. 2020 à 23 h 51

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Quoting: Pensfan89

So? Neither would Kovalchuk. And if the panthers were just gonna take on Petry’s cap hit, they could just try and re-sign Dadanov instead.

Petry is basically a 1st defencemen. He played a lot better when Weber was out. Tho Petry has almost more point than Dadonov and he's a defencemen. FLA needs a backup for Ekblad and Yandle isn't one

Quoting: Pensfan89

So? Neither would Kovalchuk. And if the panthers were just gonna take on Petry’s cap hit, they could just try and re-sign Dadanov instead.

I've said what I have to say if both aren't gonna be there fine but there is a fact Matheson < Petry with the same money with less risk Dadonov won't be there next year and he'll be trade and the deadline. It's either Trocher and Matheson out with Dadonov receiving the moon or Dadonov out with 4 millions to hang up players. The choice is simple with the cap space these guys have.

20 févr. 2020 à 0 h 6

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A 3way trade with 15 moving parts is NOT “realistic”
*unless it’s being done on your Xbox 😂😂😂

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20 févr. 2020 à 0 h 11

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Quoting: Tarlam01

Petry is basically a 1st defencemen. He played a lot better when Weber was out. Tho Petry has almost more point than Dadonov and he's a defencemen. FLA needs a backup for Ekblad and Yandle isn't one

I've said what I have to say if both aren't gonna be there fine but there is a fact Matheson < Petry with the same money with less risk Dadonov won't be there next year and he'll be trade and the deadline. It's either Trocher and Matheson out with Dadonov receiving the moon or Dadonov out with 4 millions to hang up players. The choice is simple with the cap space these guys have.

The panthers are gonna have close to 20 million in cap space next year with only 2 big names to sign (dadonov and Hoffman). Matheson cost less cap space than Petry. And it isn’t about trading Dadonov and Matheson. What I’m saying is why not just cut out the middle man and deal strictly with Colorado.

Colorado gets Dadanov, Matheson
Florida gets Erik Johnson, 2020 1st, Timmins

Florida gets a solid return for Dadanov, EJ to replace Matheson, a prospect RHD and a 1st in a deep draft.
Colorado doesn’t have to give up Byram, gets a top 6 forward for a cup run, and a younger/cheaper top 4 RHD to replace EJ.

They could just do that and leave Montreal out altogether.

20 févr. 2020 à 7 h 29

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

A 3way trade with 15 moving parts is NOT “realistic”
*unless it’s being done on your Xbox 😂😂😂

So Duchesne trade never happened? 😆

20 févr. 2020 à 8 h 40

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Quoting: Tarlam01

You were the one who suggested the trade... Though Tatar fits with the Avs, I don't see the Habs as a good trade partner.

As for Tatar and Kreider in comparison with Coleman, you're comparing apples and oranges. The reason why the Coleman deal netted Foote + Vancouver's 1st is because of the deal he's on and the term; paired together, they have IMMENSE value for Tampa Bay. Tatar obviously has term, but Kreider's a rental. So with Tatar, you're far more likely to get a Coleman-esque package. With that said, I don't believe the Avs pay that price THIS YEAR (am I emphasizing that enough for you?). Everything has a cost, yes, but this team has already been through rough injury stretches and they're vying for the Central Division title.

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