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What Makes the Most Sense Now

Créé par: KennyBoi
Date de création initiale: fév 18, 2020
Publié: Feb 18 at 5:14 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Bruins de Boston
Explications
I think either going for kase or fast makes the most sense now. Going for kreider or palmieri is just not worth the price.
Transactions
BOS
  1. Kase, Ondrej
  2. Janicke, Trevor [Liste de réserve]
ANA
  1. Backes, David
  2. Andersson, Axel
  3. 2020 1e round pick (BOS)
  4. 2021 4e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
4th transfers if BOS wins cup in 2020 or 2021
BOS
  1. Fast, Jesper
NYR
  1. Fitzgerald, Ryan
  2. 2020 3e round pick (BOS)
Rachats de contrats
  • Dennis Seidenberg: 1 166 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Matt Beleskey: 1 900 000 $ (50%)
  • David Backes: 1 500 000 $ (25%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2021
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $78 471 666 $0 $2 432 500 $3 028 334 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BOS
Marchand, Brad
6 125 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
6 875 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BOS
Pastrnak, David
6 666 666 $
AD
UFA - 4
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
BOS
Krejci, David
7 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
ANA
Kase, Ondrej
2 600 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
BOS
Bjork, Anders
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
3 200 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
BOS
Nordström, Joakim
1 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
1 275 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
BOS
Wagner, Chris
1 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
NYR
Fast, Jesper
1 850 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BOS
Chara, Zdeno
2 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
4 900 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
7 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Krug, Torey
5 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
2 850 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
1 400 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
BOS
Clifton, Connor
725 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
BOS
Heinen, Danton
2 800 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 2
BOS
Miller, Kevan
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
BOS
Moore, John
2 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 4
BOS
Lindholm, Pär
850 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2

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18 fév à 17 h 37
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And the Ducks quickly hang up the phone.
18 fév à 17 h 53
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Josh Anderson would be cheaper. Torts has loved Backes in the past, he could be involved again.
18 fév à 18 h 04
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
And the Ducks quickly hang up the phone.


I don't think so. ANA would seriously consider that.
18 fév à 18 h 09
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Quoting: KennyBoi
I don't think so. ANA would seriously consider that.


Backes + 1st maybe gets you Janicke
Axel + 4th doesn't get Kase
19 fév à 11 h 57
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Backes + 1st maybe gets you Janicke
Axel + 4th doesn't get Kase


backes doen't require a 1st to move him, this is not the same case as marleau.
19 fév à 12 h 26
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Quoting: KennyBoi
backes doen't require a 1st to move him, this is not the same case as marleau.


How so?

If anything the cost to move Backes would be *higher* than cost to move Marleau. Marleau was still useful player.
19 fév à 13 h 31
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
How so?

If anything the cost to move Backes would be *higher* than cost to move Marleau. Marleau was still useful player.


It won’t, because the two situations are drastically different.
Marleau situation:
Had a NMC
Had a 35+ contract
His team HAD to move him.
Couldn’t be put in the minors.
3.83 million buyout cost.
Full, 6.25 million buyout cap hit.

Backes:
None of those things.

Marleau - refused to play for anyone else but San Jose
Backes - Willing to play for anyone so he can stay in NHL

Toronto - Had to move Marleau to make room for there high price signings
Boston - Doesn't need to make cap space
19 fév à 14 h 02
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Quoting: KennyBoi
It won’t, because the two situations are drastically different.
Marleau situation:
Had a NMC
Had a 35+ contract
His team HAD to move him.
Couldn’t be put in the minors.
3.83 million buyout cost.
Full, 6.25 million buyout cap hit.

Backes:
None of those things.

Marleau - refused to play for anyone else but San Jose
Backes - Willing to play for anyone so he can stay in NHL

Toronto - Had to move Marleau to make room for there high price signings
Boston - Doesn't need to make cap space


Marleau situation also had:
* value as a player
* a whole off-season to move him

Backes has:
* 5 day window to deal him
* an extra quarter-season to bury or play him
* an extra year of buyout penalty
* on cap....at minimum, you'd eat 1/4 of this year's salary ($1.5 million), next year's buyout hit ($4 million) and 2021-22 hit ($1 million)...
* Refused to play in AHL
* 15-team no-trade list

Backes + 1st to dump him is a scenario that should make Bruins very happy.
19 fév à 19 h 03
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Marleau situation also had:
* value as a player
* a whole off-season to move him


Backes has:
* 5 day window to deal him
* an extra quarter-season to bury or play him
* an extra year of buyout penalty
* on cap....at minimum, you'd eat 1/4 of this year's salary ($1.5 million), next year's buyout hit ($4 million) and 2021-22 hit ($1 million)...
* Refused to play in AHL
* 15-team no-trade list

Backes + 1st to dump him is a scenario that should make Bruins very happy.


That doen't matter ^, leafs HAD to move him they had no other choice or else they were screwed. BOS is not in the same boat. They dont have a 5 day window, they can trade him in the offseason. Yes he has an extra yr of buyout penalty, but in total it's cheaper than 6 mil. Refusing to play in the ahl doesn't mean anything, he's still buried and BOS is saving money. Can still get a deal done with a 15-team ntc. Not to mention, Backes is only paid 4mil in real money next year which may entice some owners

So how tf will it cost more than a 1st to move backes again if it's actually an easier contract to move than marleau's?????
19 fév à 19 h 39
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Quoting: KennyBoi
That doen't matter ^, leafs HAD to move him they had no other choice or else they were screwed.


If they had to move him to SJS, why did they move him to Carolina? lol

Quoting: KennyBoi
They dont have a 5 day window, they can trade him in the offseason.


The trade deadline is in a few days, genius. Price may drop in the off-season, but we are talking about deadline deals. Can't use July 2020 price and apply to deadline now.

Quoting: KennyBoi
Yes he has an extra yr of buyout penalty, but in total it's cheaper than 6 mil.


$1.5 million remaining for 2019-20. Assuming a buyout this summer, $4 million for 2020-21. $1 million for 2021-22. $1.5 + 4.0 +1.0 = 6.5.

Quoting: KennyBoi
Refusing to play in the ahl doesn't mean anything


The Bruins and him agreed that would "not play" until Bruins find a trade. If anything, Bruins have been very accommodating to him. Not sure if same arrangement works elsewhere

Quoting: KennyBoi
BOS is saving money.


Saving money is not paying Backes. Paying Backes to not play is wasting money.

Quoting: KennyBoi
Can still get a deal done with a 15-team ntc.


The list of teams with spare cap space is 5-10 teams (mostly lousy teams). His no trade list and that list likely have considerable overlap.

Quoting: KennyBoi
Backes is only paid 4mil in real money next year which may entice some owners


No...the first round pick that comes with him will entice some owners to pay him...not the other way around

Quoting: KennyBoi
So how tf will it cost more than a 1st to move backes again if it's actually an easier contract to move than marleau's?????


See above
20 fév à 19 h 53
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
If they had to move him to SJS, why did they move him to Carolina? lol



The trade deadline is in a few days, genius. Price may drop in the off-season, but we are talking about deadline deals. Can't use July 2020 price and apply to deadline now.



$1.5 million remaining for 2019-20. Assuming a buyout this summer, $4 million for 2020-21. $1 million for 2021-22. $1.5 + 4.0 +1.0 = 6.5.



The Bruins and him agreed that would "not play" until Bruins find a trade. If anything, Bruins have been very accommodating to him. Not sure if same arrangement works elsewhere



Saving money is not paying Backes. Paying Backes to not play is wasting money.



The list of teams with spare cap space is 5-10 teams (mostly lousy teams). His no trade list and that list likely have considerable overlap.



No...the first round pick that comes with him will entice some owners to pay him...not the other way around



See above


im talking about the offseason.......doesn't make sense for BOS to move backes before tdl when they don't NEEd to. They have room.
20 fév à 19 h 57
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
If they had to move him to SJS, why did they move him to Carolina? lol

Bc the deal was CAR would buy him out and SJS would pick him up

Saving money is not paying Backes. Paying Backes to not play is wasting money.

They are saving almost 2 mill in cap space rn wdym......

The list of teams with spare cap space is 5-10 teams (mostly lousy teams). His no trade list and that list likely have considerable overlap.

That is true but i can see a scenario where he would rather play in the league and waive his ntc than sit in the pressbox all yr
20 fév à 20 h 13
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Quoting: KennyBoi
im talking about the offseason......


The Backes deal includes a conditional pick based on this season's outcome. Better think this one through before you dig any deeper.
21 fév à 13 h 09
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
The Backes deal includes a conditional pick based on this season's outcome. Better think this one through before you dig any deeper.


told you backes wasnt worth a 1st to move
21 fév à 13 h 14
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Kudos for the trade @KennyBoi
21 fév à 13 h 16
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Quoting: KennyBoi
told you backes wasnt worth a 1st to move


Um, what?

I think that deal very much confirms they did need to pay to move Backes.
21 fév à 13 h 22
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Sum of the parts.....

Axel + 3rd = Kase
Backes + 1st = 0
$1.5 million retained = 3rd back to them

This deal confirms consensus view on Backes contract (that it costed ~late 1st to move)
21 fév à 13 h 25
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Sum of the parts.....

Axel + 3rd = Kase
Backes + 1st = 0
$1.5 million retained = 3rd back to them

This deal confirms consensus view on Backes contract (that it costed ~late 1st to move)


no the market price for kase was andersson + 2nd

So the fact that Backes was added and all that was upgraded was a late 2nd to a late 1st means that backes wasn't worth a 1st by itself
21 fév à 13 h 26
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Um, what?

I think that deal very much confirms they did need to pay to move Backes.


obvi BOS needs to pay to move backes, he's a cap dump.....but it's not the same as the marleau cap dump
21 fév à 13 h 35
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Quoting: KennyBoi
no the market price for kase was andersson + 2nd

So the fact that Backes was added and all that was upgraded was a late 2nd to a late 1st means that backes wasn't worth a 1st by itself


The cost of of upgrading a 2nd to a 1st is...a 2nd (ie, two 2nds = one 1st)

So if Backes (0%) costed 1st, and Backes (25%) costed a second

And yes, it reaffirmed the market price set by Marleau deal.
22 fév à 13 h 17
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
The cost of of upgrading a 2nd to a 1st is...a 2nd (ie, two 2nds = one 1st)

So if Backes (0%) costed 1st, and Backes (25%) costed a second

And yes, it reaffirmed the market price set by Marleau deal.


nah buddy it would've costed a 2nd to move 0% Backes.......Backes 25% retained is a 3rd

This trade was a 2nd + a 3rd + retention = a 1st

Good try tho
22 fév à 19 h 56
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Quoting: KennyBoi
nah buddy it would've costed a 2nd to move 0% Backes.......Backes 25% retained is a 3rd

This trade was a 2nd + a 3rd + retention = a 1st

Good try tho


I think you are alone in this thinking, but are welcome to it
24 fév à 13 h 00
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I think you are alone in this thinking, but are welcome to it


@ON3M4N idk if u want to waste ur time for the 638975 time on this issue, but this guy is one of those clowns who think backes costs a 1st to dump
24 fév à 13 h 02
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Quoting: KennyBoi
@ON3M4N idk if u want to waste ur time for the 638975 time on this issue, but this guy is one of those clowns who think backes costs a 1st to dump


No I don't, especially considering who you're dealing with lol
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