Yup, more than anything this is a cushion for next season when they dump another forward due to cap problems. Coleman at 1.8M is a steal.

Imagine if the Canucks traded this first for Blake Coleman. Anyone think that would be viewed as a win?

Devils win this deal by a mile in my opinion. Cap hit and term aside for Coleman, even in Tampas situation next year. Hope it goes better than I think it will!

Lmao the **** are you talking about pharrow. Lightning have been ****ting on the Bruins for years now.
And boy are you wrong if you think Tampa doesn't play physical.¨

If the matchup happens it will end like the last time: Bolts in 5.

sure sure, how'd that matchup against CBJ go last year.

We got swept, but you know what? Tampa is still ****ting on the Bruins year in and year out.

it's like that warning on stocks.
Past results doesn't indicated future gains or however the hell it goes.

Good luck with that.

Funny how you say that after going on about how we got swept by the Jackets

because you seem to think regular season hockey is the same as the playoffs. It's not. It might as well be preseason.
The games are meaner and nastier. And TB has not fundamentally changed their team. They are not built for it.
So enjoy your lap around the track in warm up. When the games count you'll be knocked out with your collection of 5 foot forwards.

I love it when clueless people talk about the team I passionately follow. It's lovely to spot the bull**** they talk as if they knew what they were talking about

i love it when people have to use insults to try to argue because they don't have any point to make.
It shows you aren't capable of talking hockey. Just delete your account. You had nothing logical to add so that's all you got is being a troll.

I'll admit a slight bias here. While Tampa hasn't "fundamentally changed their team" they have completely changed their focus on the fundamentals. They are a far better team defensively than they were last year. The little changes and tweaks with Maroon, Coleman, Hags and a fit Victor Hedman make them a much different team than the one that got bludgeoned by Colombus last year.

no they really aren't because at the end of the day you want your top two lines out there for 40+ minutes in the playoffs and nothing there has really changed.
It's not even worth arguing. If you want to send players like Maroon over the boards for 20 minutes a night the other teams will be glad to have you do that because you won't win with the team doing that and we both know it. Other teams are built for the games being a bit nasty. TB is not.

Have you watched them play? The entire lineup is more responsible on their side of the puck than they were last year. This time last year I was worried about how they were playing. They were winning but they were winning wrong. They're way more rounded in their approach this season.

Devils have a slight edge tho as Coleman is a UFA and may ask to high of a price for TBL to pay next season.
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Don't even bother using concrete evidence with this guy. He's clueless

So are Coleman,Bogosian,Goodrow help in the playoffs from a phyisical perspective, what do u think? What about Schenn...

I know we were soft last few years, but i think we are changing... Maybe one day Kucherov + Point learns to play physical...
(I've given up on Stamkos ever being physical - over 30 years old... but he is a leader + powerplay specialist, so it's ok)

Point is super fast and avoid hits with his speed + high hockey IQ. He is fine in the playoffs... If healthy. Unlike last year.(offseason surgeries).
Injured Point+Hedman + 10/10 phyisical play + HUGE 100% ALL-IN(vs we stand pat) to win a playoffs series at trade deadline from = sweep.
Hopefully our main core pieces will be healthy this time... We'll see...

If we fail to win the cup for next few years. Kucherov could learn something from Ovechkin... You don't need 100% skill vs 0 % physical play in playoffs...
If Kucherov gets injured, it's really bad for us in the playoffs or suspension for dumb retaliation( see last year).
He could really use some muscle, that's for sure... He gets pushed around way too easily... That is his main weakness. When he has no time + space to do the magic tricks, he suffers a lot...
But he is a genius, even, if he has 0.1 sec to think about what to do with the puck, if noone is close to him...
Yes the Wilson vs Kucherov matchup is bad 1st line vs 1st line... but the Kucherov vs Pasternak matchup is not that bad...

Vs We have no real problems. Yes, they are better now so it's close to a 50-50... but it's not like they are going to destroy us...
Two top teams = good for fans anyways... if we lose... thats life... try again 2020/2021 season...

Anyways i made the list, i just forgot to post it... in () the playoffs series outcomes most likely vs every team(before trade deadline)... by my calculations...

Physicality list NHL 2019-2020:
01. STL(1-4)
02. Washington(2-4)
03. Dallas(4-3)
04. Columbus(4-2)
05. LA(4-0)
06. Anaheim(4-0)
07. NYI(4-2)
08. Philadelphia(3-4)
09. Boston(4-3)
10. TBL
11. Pittsburgh(4-3)
12. Calgary(4-2)
13. Ottawa(4-0)
14. NYR(4-0)
15. VGK(4-3)
16. Colorado(4-3)


Last year vs Columbus i expected 4-1 win for tampa... End result : 0-4. It happens...

But our main defender, Norris trophy winner: Hedman, was injured in the whole series... You just can't understand how good Hedman is...
What if Parayko or Pietrangelo injured in St. Louis for whole palyoffs... they don't win the cup...

The parity is amazing in this league... but two years in a row same upset is rare... so if we lose i hope it's at least not 0-4 hahahaaa...


From this list, you can clearly see that we can make it to the finals---->we just need to avoid 2 bad matchups:

+
the dark horse in my opinion in this year's playoffs... Complete team(good goalie+good defense+high octane offense), but they can lose to NJD 0-5 or smth. like that...


I will never expect a win vs Washington(although they have worse coach now, so that helps us)... so let's see if there will be upsets in the playoffs or not...

VS I know we are 0-2 this year, but i think we can beat them in the playoffs... if we make it to the finals...

Vs maybe we lose in the finals, they got amazing pieces at the trade deadline... so maybe i should change that... Season series:1-1, they outplayed us both games... but we didn't really try hard in those games... we were coasting...

have goaltending issues, so i'm not worried even vs the super-sayan Carolina D-Core... I doubt their goalies can do 0.925 SV% in the playoffs...

is 5 times easier for us, than Washington... whatever physical play they bring to the table... they just lack the offense and our defense is miles better, than last year... We can shut them down. As a lot of other teams can. 1 Barzal doesn't win you a Stanley-Cup. Trotz is the best coach in the , but Pageau is not enough to fix the offense... I have my doubts, that they can win every single playoff game with a score of 1-0 or 2-1...

I think their trade deadline moves help but it's still the same problem because the star players still need to work around it and they have yet to show they can.
Also I don't think that Point vs Pasta line is a win for TB. Marchand is a dirty rat. And he's one who will drop gloves and go after someone like all hell and frankly he'll kick anyone on that lines ass. I'm just being honest about it. It doesn't hurt they have a guy like Chara behind him.

I don't really go off NHL 2019 lists. Some teams like the NYI are a really physical team. Come playoffs they just bully people. It's how they beat the penguins who were frankly a much better team but couldn't deal with the physicality last year. Their 4th line are straight out goons and they send them out there to pound on star players.

This is why I don't put much faith in regular season games. Once you hit the playoffs it's a different game.
They have to prove they can get past Boston who will do dirty crap like they do to TOR like Knee on Knee on players target players heads. There was a reason Kadri kept getting suspended in retaliation.
If a team like WSH or NYI comes out the east, they will be no different.
It's not about skill, it's about getting into their head and making them play different. So far, physical teams have lived in their head, not just last year but multiple years.
It's why people have questioned the leadership on TB. Can they not let these teams in their head. I have very little faith in that. Mainly because if you are looking over your shoulder to not get injured than you aren't playing your game.

At least if we fail this year... Cooper is out.. you agree?

And all the tiny forwards has to go NTC or not... They will just get buried in the AHL because of no cap room. So they just go get traded.
If you're Tyler Johnson. What you choose?
Sit in AHL for multiple years vs traded to a non-bottom team ( no ottawa/anaheim/la/detroit). I understand if he says no to Detroit... but why would he say no to like a good team like Carolina/Colorado or even Montreal.( they are not that bad as the results - they are in the playoffs spot unless they lose 4 games in a row vs detroit - they just did it LUL)
Tyler Johnson is not dumb, if he gets the call that he needs to prepare for a new team. He will get the message.
So next year we have higher chance for a cup with more strong/bigger/grittier players.
Same with Gourde. And Killorn is probably gone 90%+... he has only M-NTC.

I agree with you that Boston is better now, than they were 1-2 years ago. But it will be a close series. I hope we win We can handle Marchand. One guy we can't handle: Kevin Hayes

One other guy we can't handle:Boone Jenner

Anotha one: Whole St. Louis team

We can handle Anders Lee, don't worry about that...

lost last year, because they sucked hard... Whole season... It was not a surprise... Check all results from last year... They were just that good team like the cup years...
The playing style, the effort was not there... Barry Trotz is also a genius... so it's not really a surprise they failed last year, like us...

Now with healthy lineup in 2019/2020 season = they look deadly...
We went 3-0 against them... all close games... but i could see the fire in them.. i watched them throughout the year vs other teams like Colorado and others...
when they worked super hard, as every contender. Last year they were pretenders.
They played their games, but they already had lots of cups, they just didn't had fire in them...

Believe me 2019 Pittsbugh vs 2020 Pittsbugh = super huge difference in every aspect of the game.

If Pittsburgh vs Tampa this year in playoffs: It will be as 50-50 as it gets. If any team wins more then 4-2, that's a surprise in my book. I expect a 4-3 everytime...
Or 3-4... But that will be not good for us

Why they traded Kahun yesterday is a mistery to me... wasn't he a top6 guy? and a good one? That trade is interesting for sure...

The penguins lost last year because NYI 4th line bullied the pens all over the ice. It's hard for a star player to do anything when he's on his butt half the game. They got short legs, short arms, and were looking over their shoulder. This year if they have to play NYI or WSH it will be them trying to fight through it. They can, they have done it before. But it's a hard game. They got pounded by CBJ and WSH on their cup runs. I don't know if you see either of these teams playing for a cup this year. Injuries for the penguins and neither team has the top line players to really push back. The saving grace on them is that WSH doesn't have much in term of support on their lower lines but NYI do. I think they are actually the more dangerous team. I'm not holding my breath on the penguins winning a cup this year. Especially when the refs swallow the whistles.

As for Cooper? I don't know what TB would do. I mean he can only coach what he has. At some point the players have to play. I don't blame 5'10" guys for not wanting their head targeted by a 6'4 230lb guy.
There is part of a natural reaction where you play different because you know it's coming. It's like a WR catching a pass over the middle. If the knows the hit is coming his arms shorten. The ball becomes the least of his worries. It's no different in hockey. You stop reaching for that puck, you turn faster, you push the puck faster causing mistakes. It ends up in bad play. Next thing you know, you aren't playing your game. You can't coach players to not do that. It's just instinct to try not to get hurt. The way you avoid it is taking a pound for every pound they are trying to take. That you go back after their star players. But when their best players are all bigger then you have issues.TB could lay a pounding on Marchand but he won't take no crap and is dirty. They could pay one on pasta but don't think others aren't taking a number. It's hard to throw teams like that of their game because frankly, being down in the mud is their game. Teams like TB and the penguins don't play that game. Which is why it becomes a hurdle for them to over come.
I think the Kahun move was a cap issue. They were going to have problems signing everyone. The only way to make the cap work was to trade Bjugstad but given how little he has played due to injury that might be harder said than done at 4 mil a year. That's the most I can make of that trade because they lost the better player in it.

This is exactly what happend last years vs .
But!!! all other series in previous years, i don't remember these things. Even in the game 6-7 series vs Wsh a year before, we were just out of gas. Like we had nothing in the tank. We scored 0 goals in 2 games. LUL Great way to play the game...

When we made a finals like 5 years ago vs , they were the better team, it was obvious(like we had a young and up&coming Kucherov vs their already superstar status players + they were over the salary cap(borderline cheating - cap circumvention --> huge advantage in the finals)

Ref's were "normal" to me in most of the previous series i watched over the year vs us, maybe i just haven't watched them close enough, because we kept winning(usually we don't get swept)...

So anyways, in CBJ series, the referees let them(whole columbus soldier army) do anything they wanted. Holding/Grabbing/Interference/Boarding/Cross Checking/Roughing... the list goes on...
Like how won the cup. They hit hard and borderline "dangerous", like legion of boom in NFL couple years ago, like Kam Chancellor. Who won the super bowl that year? YES, ofc the Seahawks. The dirty team...
They made pass interference on 50% of plays, like Sherman... what the referees did? No flags on 95% of the plays...
I'm a Saints fan, so you got it, that i fed up completely with the referees in the NFL. I Don't even care anymore after last 2-3 years... I'm just laughing about them, and expecting the same trend continuing...
Rip Saints in next year too. Sean Payton loves them LUL

So anyways back to .
In theory it should be a penalty every 3rd move/hit these "tough type of teams" make, cause it's not in the rule books to injure every player with dirty hits or interefere with a non-puck carrying player when he almost has a good scoring chance... You know what i mean...
But the refs don't want to give 20 penalties/ game to only 1 team( Blues/Blue Jackets + Capitals this year... i have never seen the NYI play that dirty but if u say so i can add the to the list..., so they just rather don't give any over the normal 3/game --> in playoffs it goes down to 2.5/game...
Let's collect these teams, which borderline cheating, by the help with the dear "NHL approved referees":




( based on regular season, this team is the next one who doesn't respect the rules)
(if they did it in previous years it makes sense, i never payed any attention to them in prev years... they looked to me like a neverending loser team... i remember how they wasted Rick Nash in those years... same as Arizona in recent history... When will win 1 playoffs series haha... maybe this year? i have my doubts... even though they just beat us 7-3, after last year's 7-1 in their home...

Any other "dirty teams" u can name? In the playoffs? So at least i know that i should prepare to lose vs them if we are not up to the task to handle them...
Goodrow looks good in this area from the 1st game. He is almost caused a concussion to a TML defender jeez... these guys hit hard... it was not a penalty... but that guy who got the hit got almost "KO"-d...

Updated the list from earlier post for fun.
If anyone disagrees, please notify me, so i might edit it and/or re-think it.
It's after the trade deadline. Now Tampa is in top8, cause Goodrow + Coleman = both big & strong hitters. (From eyetest + stats + based on others peoples opinions)
So we jumped like 2 spots up...
LA sold Clifford + Toffoli +Martinez = weaker now. They are going for speed it looks like in the upcoming years, so expect LA to be weaker & weaker every year...
They were like Top3 when they won the cup... like Dustin Brown +Doughty was insanely physical... sold Grant so i maybe should move them down idk.
It's hard to make this list accurate. In () the expected playoffs results, like (4-0) = TBL advance to next round

Physicality list NHL 2019-2020:
01. STL(0-4)
02. Washington(2-4)
03. Dallas(4-3)
04. Columbus(4-2)
05. Philadelphia(3-4)
06. NYI(4-3)
07. Anaheim(4-0)
08. TBL
09. Boston(4-3)
10. LA(4-1)
11. Pittsburgh(4-3)
12. Colorado(4-3)
13. VGK(3-4)
14. Calgary(4-2)
15. Ottawa(4-0)
16. NYR(4-0)

I wouldn't put the penguins on that list, they have the same problem TB does. It's why I don't see them going far. It is possible to rattle them teams have done it. Boston did it, NYI did it.
Also that CHI team of the past, I don't think you give them enough credit. That was the team with Buf was it not? I remember them always playing the penguins physical. It's why they had their number.

Anything can happen on that ice. But the reality is it's a hard hurdle to overcome. I mean last year for the penguins it was a large dose of Clutterbuck, Martin,, Cizikas. Given the two Cs aren't very big guys next to Crosby and Jake they are clearly more physical and gave them fits. They they add on Guys like Lee and Nelson and they just had a hard time. I'm hoping WSH and the NY play each other and one knocks the other out

Look at this:


This is based on "the athletic" analytics, from the guy i respect. He does hard work each day, he is like obsessed with these stuffs. Always posts good things on twitter: like load managament should be in already in NHL. What i'm saying since 2 years... Let Stamkos rest for 2 weeks... he is suffering atm... looks injured...
In nba they do it all the time... fresh players in playoffs = easier to win

This shows that Goodrow was not really a good pickup from the win % standpoint(Coleman was pretty good), but i think the analytics can't predict the impact, when he knocks out John Carlson for a game or 2 in the playoffs. And lots of players playing through injuries... so it's even worse for those players (see Hedman last year vs Columbus - our defense completely collapsed - but he played a lot...for a while... then he gave up...)

Here is another one so you can see the matchups:


So right now your wish will come true:
Boston vs Carolina
Tampa vs Toronto --> dream matchup for us --> i bet our 22% cup chance goes down, when it's not that 1st round matchup...

Washington vs NYI
Pittsburgh vs Philly --> good luck vs the dark horse

The bad thing is, that if we start winning soon, because the boys will be mad about losing games after a while, and boston keeps losing,(they allowed 9 goals vs vancouver recently...the boston defense which usually allows 2...) then we might win that sh**tty pres trophy...
The diff between Car and NYI only ~ 2 points, so NYI can be our first matchup... and you keep telling me they are bone crunchers. Oh and 1 word: TrotZ - No thanks...

Yeah I have been hoping Carolina sneaks in to play the penguins becasue Philly and the penguins don't like each other. Last year they hurt Letang right before the playoffs in a dirty scrum by putting him in a headlock, he has neck issues from a previous herniation.
They aren't as bad this year, much like CBJ isn't but still you can expect it in that match up. Some of those stats though TOR as a 5% chance to win a cup but WSH is a 3% chance. I mean if I was betting money on one team making it there over the other it would be WSH.

I also would say COL has a better chance at winning a cup than the penguins.
A lot of it in the end is who gets hot, especially in net. Which is why I don't put much faith in any of these stats. They had the penguins and TB as cup favorites last year. They both fell apart.

If I had to pick 4 teams with the best chance it's BOS, WSH, AVs, STL.
Those are the 4 I think are the most dangerous. But we'll see. I think this really underestimates WSH. They are not a team that likes to lose. I think they are a dirty team they will do whatever it takes to win, but I do give them credit as they can win games.

You don't understand this, it's math--->it's never wrong in the long run:
Washington has really low % to win the whole thing, because they have the hardest path to victory. It's simple as that. When u you have possible 4 insane opponent. Vs like Toronto can have 3 insane + 1 easy.
Look at where it deviates the 2 teams:
Conf-Finals--->Finals
21% vs 6% for Washington
14% vs 8% for Toronto

Meaning if they upset 2 teams, they most likely win the 3rd one, because at that point you have to admint, that they beat 2 solid top teams... so if they beat 2 solid teams, why they can't beat the 3rd who is possible weaker, than those 2. In theory Bos+TBL = the strongest this year, as the results shows...
You can say whatever you want, but under Keefe Toronto has really good record in the NHL.... the media is deceiving.
1 loss = end of the world for whole Canada nation...

In reality: Caps struggling for a while... they started hot... then they played bad for a while.. otherwise they would have been leading the whole NHL. Their fans i read it everyday - they say - fire the coach: Reirden. "FIRE HIM" - they chant
Yes i know they are good playoffs team on paper... but if Holtby starts in all games: posts .900 SV% ---> they lose to all teams---> physical play doesn't matter then...
Holtby needs to be again "old holtby" or start the new super goalie "Samsonov" - who puts up good numbers ---> can be new "vasilevsky"

Back to Toronto.
I know they just lost to a Zamboni driver, who works for them. Haha
Before that who they destroyed by perfect play in every 60 min(rare in the nhl-they were truly awesome in that match)? Your Penguins
After that who they beat with solid play?(we played better, but they still won- a win is a win) My TBL


One last thing: Colorado is hopeless ---> too much injuries ---> Sakic saw that --> No All-in --> best gm in the league.
If MacKinnon doesn't carry they go out in like round2...
They have goalie injuries(on top of all the other injuries all the time) and non-top tier goalies anyways, they just signed Hutchinson, who the whole leafs fans hated like the worst person in the universe... That's the goalie they need to rely on possible, in case of more injuries. Varlamov last year = better goalie, than all those 3...
From the outside Colorado can look good, but if u see that they lose to LA ... almost twice last 2 weeks... that's not a cup winning team.
St Louis + Dallas + Vegas. I would rank these 3 other teams easily ahead of them.
As you mentioned, hot goalie is super important. However hot goalie can only can be, if u have a goalie who is capable of getting hot.
Like Fleury, like Lehner, like Vasi etc...

If you ask me about endgame:
Tampa Vs Washington
Dallas Vs Vegas

Finals:
Vs.

Stanley-Cup winner:


They just destroyed 5 top teams in the nhl... and everyone else... and they got the best goalie tandem in the whole league. + they got rid of their worst player:Eakin, who was really bad... Oh did i mention Martinez, who comes from a top-defensive mindset team? From LA? He won cup as well...
Their coach is a proven good one: Debour--> always good results in playoffs(mostly late years). They just pulled a "Berube move"--> copycat league ---> i think it will work
Unfortunately my heart will be broken once again.

But until we are not out, i'm hopeful u know... upsets possible

If you want to hear my opinion about your team: Losing to caps in round 2 --> your team had too many injuries, too much grind = worn out players when playoffs starts...(everyone needed to work 120% whole year = no rest for the body + mental fatigue will catch up). But 1st round Crosby + Malkin can carry easy + Marino is Makar 2.0(kinda)
Main reason for Penguins fall:No Guentzel in playoffs. With fresh Guentzel, the odds for your team = much higher. He is elite. Such a good fit for your team. I don't know where you guys found him... i always thought he is bad and only speed+lucky+ good teammates... but now i think i was dumb Zucker can't replace him. Solid player, but that's it.
You need full team to go deep. Remember when Stammer injured couple years ago.. we missed the playoffs by 1 point... unlucky...

Remember why won last year: They coasted for half a season = no fatigue. If St. Louis wins, that's impressive... i wouldn't bet a cent on it... However good they look. They look scary since couple games... It's still unlikely they repeat... They deserve it, if they can do it. That's for sure...