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This will not be well received but I think it is worth asking

Créé par: Trevorchef
Date de création initiale: fév 16, 2020
Publié: Feb 16 at 3:57 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
I know that this would not be a popular choice. Which team(s) say no??
Transactions
TOR
  1. Pesce, Brett
  2. 2020 2e round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Rielly, Morgan
TOR
  1. Larsson, Adam
EDM
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
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2020
TOR
CAR
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $76 782 976 $0 $70 000 $4 717 024 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
TOR
Clifford, Kyle
800 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
694 444 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
CAR
Pesce, Brett
4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
EDM
Larsson, Adam
4 166 666 $
DD
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 4

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16 fév à 15 h 58
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Uhm.. Leafs. On both.
16 fév à 15 h 59
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Ummm I think Toronto rejects everything
16 fév à 16 h 01
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Uhm.. Leafs. On both.


Care to elaborate?
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16 fév à 16 h 09
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Care to elaborate?


Well.. Rielly is coming off of 75 point season as 24yo Dman and was on 46smth pt pace while injured for whole year eating 25 minutes a night. Pesce is incredible D but he isnt even close to that level. Trading Rielly at this point would require overpayment or similar D (Seth Jones). No reason to trade Rielly at this point. Barrie alone is much more valuable than Larsson. Sure lock for 50 points a year. I would barely give up 2nd rounder for Larsson who is BAD last two seasons. Like Ceci bad. I think he would be a fit, but for right price, which is low.
16 fév à 16 h 12
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Well.. Rielly is coming off of 75 point season as 24yo Dman and was on 46smth pt pace while injured for whole year eating 25 minutes a night. Pesce is incredible D but he isnt even close to that level. Trading Rielly at this point would require overpayment or similar D (Seth Jones). No reason to trade Rielly at this point. Barrie alone is much more valuable than Larsson. Sure lock for 50 points a year. I would barely give up 2nd rounder for Larsson who is BAD last two seasons. Like Ceci bad. I think he would be a fit, but for right price, which is low.


Both Barrie and Rielly are horrible defensively. That cannot be argued. We need defensman who can play defence and make a quick first pass. Both Larsson and Pesce can do that in spades.
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16 fév à 16 h 15
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Both Barrie and Rielly are horrible defensively. That cannot be argued. We need defensman who can play defence and make a quick first pass. Both Larsson and Pesce can do that in spades.


The only reason we wanted Pesce was to have someone to play with Reilly... I'd be willing to move Barrie in a package for Pesce.
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16 fév à 16 h 16
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
The only reason we wanted Pesce was to have someone to play with Reilly... I'd be willing to move Barrie in a package for Pesce.


The Canes wouldn't. Not even close.
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16 fév à 16 h 18
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Quoting: Trevorchef
The Canes wouldn't. Not even close.


Closer than your trade for Pesce. Plus I said in a package.
16 fév à 16 h 19
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Closer than your trade for Pesce.


I don't think so but it is fine to disagree. Rielly is overrated and we have a pitifully weak right side. That is where I was coming from.
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16 fév à 16 h 22
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Quoting: Trevorchef
I don't think so but it is fine to disagree. Rielly is overrated and we have a pitifully weak right side. That is where I was coming from.


Should have 2 firsts coming back in the Reilly trade.
16 fév à 16 h 24
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Should have 2 firsts coming back in the Reilly trade.


That is absolute nonsense.

Morgan Rielly is not worth Brett Pesce and two 1st round picks. He just isn't.
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16 fév à 16 h 29
#12
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I think the biggest question surrounding the leafs is if/when do they move Marner. TOR won’t have the LTIR or ELCs to make the big 3 work forever. Moving Marner would net a significant return plus cap space to add pieces to fill holes.

With Mathews, Tavares and Nylander they would still have a high end top line and a quality 2nd line. Hypothetically Marner nets a return of a cheaper quality top 6 fwd with significant draft capital or a top pair D and a little lesser draft capital. Then use the draft capital and extra cap space to fill the hole at a cheaper rate.
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16 fév à 16 h 29
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Quoting: Trevorchef
That is absolute nonsense.

Morgan Rielly is not worth Brett Pesce and two 1st round picks. He just isn't.


Kap barrie and a 2nd for Pesce
16 fév à 16 h 31
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Kap barrie and a 2nd for Pesce


Carolina has no need for Barrie at all. Especially as a rental for a top four D under contract for the next five years at a great AAV.
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16 fév à 16 h 36
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Carolina has no need for Barrie at all. Especially as a rental for a top four D under contract for the next five years at a great AAV.


Hamilton is injured
16 fév à 16 h 50
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Hamilton is injured


I am well aware of that fact. It still makes no sense for Carolina to trade Pesce for Barrie+. Especially when the return is what you had suggested.
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16 fév à 18 h 09
#17
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With Slavin and another ex-Toronto offensive defenseman signed long-term for their left side, Carolina doesn't need Rielly. Nylander for Pesce had some appeal before Hamilton got injured, but the Hurricanes won't do that now.

Barrie for Larsson has a lot of appeal because of the extra year, inasmuch as Toronto only has Rielly and Holl plus the two key rookies under contract for next season. I think that the add has to be one of the European wingers, not Gauthier.
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