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Cirelli Idea

Créé par: BLIvingston33
Date de création initiale: fév 12, 2020
Publié: Feb 12 at 11:16 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Wild du Minnesota
Explications
OFF SEASON TRADE
Transactions
MIN
  1. Cirelli, Anthony
Détails additionnels:
I realize this is A LOT of retained salary and I realize that Tampa would want to keep this guy BUT they are going to be trapped in complete salary cap hell and I just don't see how they escape, plus a lot of guys have some sort of no-trade clause. They also have no RD under contract at all next season from what I can tell.
TBL
  1. Dumba, Matt (3 000 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
  • Tyler Ennis: 1 216 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Matt Dumba: 3 000 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2021
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $74 848 588 $0 $1 282 500 $6 651 412 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Koivu, Mikko
5 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Galchenyuk, Alex
4 900 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Rask, Victor
4 000 000 $
C
UFA - 3
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AD, AG, C
RFA - 2
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 000 000 $
AG
RFA - 2
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Kunin, Luke
925 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
1 487 500 $
C
RFA - 2
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
728 333 $
C
RFA - 1
MIN
Greenway, Jordan
916 666 $
AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
5 187 500 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Dubnyk, Devan
4 333 333 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
4 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 2
MIN
Pateryn, Greg
2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 3
MIN
Soucy, Carson
750 000 $
D
UFA - 1
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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12 fév à 23 h 25
#1
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Straight up, I'd say Tampa has to throw in at least a 2nd round pick to make it work. With 50% retention, it starts with a first and another asset.
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12 fév à 23 h 32
#2
Isles777
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Players like Anthony cirelli are so hard to find/develop, Tampa will do whatever it takes to retain him. They will buy out/trade players in order to keep him.
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12 fév à 23 h 33
#3
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Why bother trading Dumba for him. Wild could offersheet Cirelli right out of Bolts price range and then give up a roughly 2021 1st and 3rd.
Wild could easily get a 2021 1st and 3rd plus for Dumba.
I have a similar idea going to get Dylan Strome from Chicago, but the Chicago guys assure me salary cap won't be a problem.
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12 fév à 23 h 33
#4
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Quoting: Isles777
Players like Anthony cirelli are so hard to find/develop, Tampa will do whatever it takes to retain him. They will buy out/trade players in order to keep him.


Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.
12 fév à 23 h 36
#5
GM CRIME DAWG
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TBL says no...mo...fo
Dumba is a "Shattenkirk" clone so to speak for TBL and Cirelli has shown multiple times this year that he stirs the Tampa drink like Tkachuk in Cal does...
12 fév à 23 h 38
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Quoting: Paul13
Why bother trading Dumba for him. Wild could offersheet Cirelli right out of Bolts price range and then give up a roughly 2021 1st and 3rd.
Wild could easily get a 2021 1st and 3rd plus for Dumba.
I have a similar idea going to get Dylan Strome from Chicago, but the Chicago guys assure me salary cap won't be a problem.


Maybe trade Dumba for a 1st and a player, trade that first and a third and a guy like Belpedio to Tampa for Cirelli so they get a little more than an offer sheet would give them?
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12 fév à 23 h 39
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Quoting: McGruff
TBL says no...mo...fo
Dumba is a "Shattenkirk" clone so to speak for TBL and Cirelli has shown multiple times this year that he stirs the Tampa drink like Tkachuk in Cal does...


Okay so fill out their roster and keep Cirelli and compile a defense for them with the 8 million in space they have with 7 guys on a NTC with 20 or higher teams they can't go to. I don't know how they get it done.
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12 fév à 23 h 39
#8
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.


They can buy out gourde. The contract is not bonus laden so it’s somewhat buyout friendly. Killorn is having a great season and after this year he has has a 16 team trade list. They’ll be fine. They would trade sergachev before getting rid of cirelli
12 fév à 23 h 43
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Quoting: Isles777
They can buy out gourde. The contract is not bonus laden so it’s somewhat buyout friendly. Killorn is having a great season and after this year he has has a 16 team trade list. They’ll be fine. They would trade sergachev before getting rid of cirelli


That saves them 2 million, with 3 d-men and 7 forwards under contract. 10 million to fill out the other 3 D and 5 forwards, one of which is gonna cost 5 million himself. Good luck.
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12 fév à 23 h 44
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This is a HUGE overpay by Minni. Retaining 300000 on a contract with term left is a TERRIBLE idea
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12 fév à 23 h 47
#11
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Okay so fill out their roster and keep Cirelli and compile a defense for them with the 8 million in space they have with 7 guys on a NTC with 20 or higher teams they can't go to. I don't know how they get it done.


Great you've mentioned that much appreciated. BUT I am not in the business of figuring out all of TBL issues.
However, Cirelli is an RFA so that's to TBL advantage (period).
* Back to your point: I don't see how adding Dumba @ US$3M/per until 2023 helps TBL as much as getting a slick RFA Cirelli helps MINNY?
12 fév à 23 h 47
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Quoting: BCAPP
This is a HUGE overpay by Minni. Retaining 300000 on a contract with term left is a TERRIBLE idea


For 3 seasons where the Wild won't be close to the cap as far as anyone can tell, not a huge deal in my opinion.
12 fév à 23 h 47
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Maybe trade Dumba for a 1st and a player, trade that first and a third and a guy like Belpedio to Tampa for Cirelli so they get a little more than an offer sheet would give them?


Yep. I think in both the Cirelli and Strome case the Wild will have the cap space and depending on how the sell off goes the draft picks to leverage one of them away from their team.
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12 fév à 23 h 47
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Quoting: McGruff
Great you've mentioned that much appreciated. BUT I am not in the business of figuring out all of TBL issues.
However, Cirelli is an RFA so that's to TBL advantage (period).
* Back to your point: I don't see how adding Dumba @ US$6M/per until 2023 helps TBL as much as getting a slick RFA Cirelli helps MINNY?


3 million, not 6
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12 fév à 23 h 48
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Problem is everyone they can move to free up space has a 20+ team no trade list. Gonna be tough. He's getting offer sheeted for sure.


He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa
12 fév à 23 h 51
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa


True. I guess it depends on how much he likes money and how quickly he wants his future figured out, might not want to wait for Tampa to make moves to be able to keep him.
12 fév à 23 h 53
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
3 million, not 6


I did an edit to $3M thanks...
Still adamant that Dumba to TBL is a sideways-move defensively for the Lightning.
Cirelli is to TBL what Tkachuk is to CAL...end of story IMO!
12 fév à 23 h 54
#18
Isles777
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He might recieve a couple but that doesnt mean he will sign one. Not a lot of people like leaving Tampa


Quoting: BLIvingston33
True. I guess it depends on how much he likes money and how quickly he wants his future figured out, might not want to wait for Tampa to make moves to be able to keep him.


Brayden points agent made it known that he was not interested in signing an offersheet - and he could have gotten a lot more AAV than he did with the lightning.
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12 fév à 23 h 54
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Quoting: McGruff
I did an edit to $3M thanks...
Still adamant that Dumba to TBL is a sideways-move defensively for the Lightning.
Cirelli is to TBL what Tkachuk is to CAL...end of story IMO!


The point is they have zero RD under contract so they need someone to play top pair minutes, even second pair if Shattenkirk signs cheap.
13 fév à 0 h 07
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
The point is they have zero RD under contract so they need someone to play top pair minutes, even second pair if Shattenkirk signs cheap.


OK I see your point w/ Kevin S. on the UFA runway...
TBL has C. Foote coming and can look to TDL/free agency/draft moves to get the RD without parting w/ Cirelli?
* TBL trade bait = Palat-Gourde-Johnson-Killorn-Paquette-Maroon (NOT Cirelli)...
13 fév à 0 h 20
#21
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Quoting: McGruff
OK I see your point w/ Kevin S. on the UFA runway...
TBL has C. Foote coming and can look to TDL/free agency/draft moves to get the RD without parting w/ Cirelli?
* TBL trade bait = Palat-Gourde-Johnson-Killorn-Paquette-Maroon (NOT Cirelli)...


Paquette is moveable, Maroon UFA, those other guys all have some sort of no-trade clause and Killorn is the only one that might be easy to move because he only lists 16 teams. The others can list as high as 23.
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13 fév à 0 h 45
#22
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Quoting: BLIvingston33
Paquette is moveable, Maroon UFA, those other guys all have some sort of no-trade clause and Killorn is the only one that might be easy to move because he only lists 16 teams. The others can list as high as 23.

Like you said earlier BL33 when I just wouldn't listen LOL...done painted themselves in a corner huh?
Cheers!
 
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