POINTS PER 60-MINUTES:

1.99 = Engvall = $1,250,000
1.98 = Armia = $2,600,000
1.84 = Lekonen = $2,400,000
1.84 = Weise = $2,550,000
1.81 = Suzuki = ELC
1.73 = Domi = $3,150,000
1.07 = Byron = $3,400,000
0.89 = Kotkaniemi = ELC
0.82 = Weal = $1,400,000
0.47 = Poehling = ELC

If Engvall is a 4th liner ... does that mean Montreal is filled with highly paid AHL players and 1st round busts?

And by the way ... Armia is the only guy on this list who can compete with Engvall defensively.

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The OP must be trolling ... but it's not going well for him.

POINTS PER 60-MINUTES:

1.99 = Engvall = $1,250,000 (188th overall)
1.98 = Armia = $2,600,000 (16th overall)
1.84 = Lekonen = $2,400,000 (55th overall)
1.84 = Weise = $2,550,000
1.81 = Suzuki = ELC (13th overall)
1.73 = Domi = $3,150,000 (12th overall)
1.07 = Byron = $3,400,000
0.89 = Kotkaniemi = ELC (3rd overall)
0.82 = Weal = $1,400,000 (70th overall)
0.47 = Poehling = ELC (25th overall)

Engvall = lowest paid and most productive player on this list ... besides the three round 1 picks ... who've all been outplayed by Toronto's 7th rounder.

I see Engvall as an above average 3rd line center next year ... which would make the contract a steal.

He's on pace for 17 goals + 17 assists over 82 games ... while playing only 12 minutes per game.

And that's with zero power-play time and significant penalty kill time. He'll be in the Leafs top 9 next year ... either at left wing or center.

Which makes one of Kerfoot or Johnsson tradeable ... saves the Leafs $2,200,000 in cap-space ... and helps them trade for a defensemen.

$5,000,000 x 3 = Rielly
$5,000,000 x 5 = Muzzin (estimate)
$2,000,000 x 4 = Holl
$2,000,000 x 4 = Dermott (estimate)
$850,000 x 3 = Sandin
$850,000 x 3 = Liljegren
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$15,700,000 = 6 Defensemen

Toronto should have $4,000,000 or more to improve on that in free agency.

And if they trade Kerfoot, Johnsson or Kapanen they'll have about $7,000,000 in cap-space (with a defensemen coming back in the trade).

They're actually in very good shape cap-wise.

According to HabsForEver the Leafs are the only NHL team that can't readjust their roster during the summer. Yea, I think the Leafs aren't advancing past the first round even if they make the playoffs, This year they just aren't good enough. But considering they started the season with a weaker defence that 2018/19, Babcock was still coaching, and have multiple injuries to top players, I don't think the Leafs have had bad season at all.

Always a good stat when one team is 2nd in league scoring and the other team is 14th.

Also maybe use the right stats?

POINTS PER 60-MINUTES




2.63 Brendan Gallagher
2.51 Tomas Tatar
2.48 Philip Danault
1.94 Arturi Lehkonen
1.84 Dale Weise
1.82 Jake Evans
1.76 Joel Armia
1.76 Pierre Engvall

Did you even look at the stats or did you input randomly numbers to try and verify your point? Nice fail bud.

In terms of CF%, of the 63 players that played for both Toronto and Montreal this year, Engvall is the 11th worse.

Atleast pick a relative stat when trying to prove me wrong

I like your point. I said it was a good contract because it is. If they can flip Kapanen or Johnsson for a defensemen, then my statement is void.

You aren't getting Muzzin for 5 Million. Try 6.5 or more. Will give them 2.5 Million to hopefully improve on Liljegren. Still don't think it's good defensive core, but I suppose the forwards make up for it.

When did I say they can't readjust their roster? I don't think Dubas should be the one doing it, but it's possible this core wins the Cup. They just need to make the right moves.

Muzzin is 30 years old and will only get a $6,500,000 AAV if his deal is 1-2 years (3 years max).
If the Leafs give him term than is AAV will come down (and they can front load a deal so he still gets $6,500,000 in the first 2 years).

EXAMPLE:

Year 1 = 31 years old = $6,500,000 salary
Year 2 = 32 years old = $6,500,000 salary
Year 3 = 33 years old = $5,000,000 salary
Year 4 = 34 years old = $5,000,000 salary
Year 5 = 35 years old = $3,500,000 salary
Year 6 = 36 years old = $3,500,000 salary
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TOTAL = 6-Year Deal = $5,000,000 cap-hit

I'd say that's fairly realistic ... and Muzzin would 100% choose this over a 2 year contract with a $6,500,000 cap-hit.
Unless he wants to leave $17,000,000 on the table and gamble on himself having extreme value in his mid 30's.

Even Strength points per 60 minute my guy.

It makes zero sense to use regular points per 60 minutes when I'm comparing these players to Pierre Engvall (who has never stepped on the ice for a power play).

You gotta compare apples to apples ... but I guess I could have made it clearer.

Keep wishing. Muzzin will just go to FA and get 6.5 Million for 6 or 7 years.

You're also using a stat in which Toronto clearly dominates Montreal in.

That honestly doesn't mean much in this context.

Engvall doesn't play with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares or Hyman ... those two lines make up the entire gap between Montreal and Toronto.

Engvall plays 10 minutes per game on the 4th line (sometimes the 3rd line). His most common line-mates have been guys like this:

EVEN STRENGTH POINTS PER 60 MINUTES:

1.99 = Engvall
1.96 = Spezza
1.84 = Timashov
1.78 = Kerfoot
1.66 = Johnsson
1.46 = Gauthier
1.09 = Petan
0.87 = Moore

Engvall also has a higher points per 60 on the penalty kill than he does at even strength (which probably won't last very long).

This isn't exactly right. The cap hit shows all salaries, but the players signed doesn't count guys on LTIR. So in that $71.4M is Rielly and Andersen, so the actual number of players signed is 16.

Not the biggest difference, it's going to be tight, but given the Leafs have their entire top 9 forward group, both goalies, and their number 1 D, with most of the defensive depth pieces in place (Holl, Marincin, Liljegren, Sandin), I think they would like to use the remaining money to sign two D, then fill out a 4th line with 4 near league min guys (one spare).

That probably leaves them with $8M-$10 to find those guys, but since the only UFAs worth spending money on are Pietrangelo and Muzzin, chances are they will be moving a forward salary out, and since none of their contracts are bad, they can probably do so very easily.

I actually don't think their cap situation is that bad at all after this year, not because they won't be tight against it, but it will be far easier to re-allocate funds when you don't really have a bad contract that you need to hold or pay an asset to move.

What do you mean it doesn't mean much in this context? It means everything. One team plays a pure offensive style while the other is defense first. Of course it has meaning.

I get the idea of saving money for the D, but if the deal is solid, it will never hinder you. I think the reality is that having a couple of years of that salary on Engvall makes it easier to move on from one of Johnsson, Kapanen and Kerfoot. None of those guys by themselves gets the Leafs "the answer", but their salaries wouldn't be hard to move out to make room, or as part of the package to get someone of value.

I think the Leafs really need two D for next year, maybe just one if Muzzin is retained. They have to re-sign Dermott as well, but that won't be expensive.

I think Ideally you would like to have Rielly, Muzzin and another very solid guy. Then Holl/Sandin/Dermott can likely either platoon minutes or compete for top 4 minutes, with two of the three getting bottom pair with Marincin as a spare, and Liljegren as a call up.

Liljegren has looked good with Sandin, but it's a small sample size. The Leafs should absolutely avoid depending on him to take a step, and I think Holl is kind of that stop gap in a lot of regards.

I think Engvall's deal is fair, and the reality is, even if he signed for say $900k for a year, that $350k wouldn't change the fact that the Leafs will need to move salary out in a deal to get another D (most likely), so I like adding a 2nd year to keep the cost down, especially if he seizes a permanent top 9 role next year and produces something in the 45 point range.

Yeye ... just like all these guys did right?

$5,000,000 x 2 years = Hjalmarsson
$5,500,000 x 3 years = Stralman
$6,000,000 x 2 years = Edler
$4,500,000 x 4 years = De Haan
$4,000,000 x 4 years = Gardiner
$5,300,000 x 2 years = Green

Muzzin isn't getting a Ryan Ellis type contract because he's not Ryan Ellis and he's not 27 anymore.
GM's haven't overpaid 30+ shut down defenders for a couple years now (since the Vlasic days).
Doughtly and Karlsson level defensemen are still getting paid out ... but that's about it.

Uhm no ... Engvall's line (and line-mates) aren't out producing Montreal's equivalent lines by any significant margin (if at all).

The the entire offensive difference between the two teams comes from Toronto's top 2 lines ... which Engvall doesn't play on.

Engvall is out-producing his peers in Toronto and his peers in Montreal ... and isn't benefiting from better line-mates or play styles.

He's an anomaly in both Toronto and Montreal's bottom six.

Muzzin is better than all of those guys.

You said it Wednesday on this post.

":10 Million Dollars left to sign 4 or 5 defensemen next year."

And I corrected you. The Leafs have 5 NHLers signed for next year. Dermot makes six and two other would make a total of eight Dmen.

For some reason you same to think the Leafs are the only team that are forced to keep their current players. For sure the Leafs have the ability to trade from strength and shore up weaknesses. Just don't think it's going to happen this season.

Yeah OK ... he's so much better than these guys that he's gonna get a $40,000,000 contract (your estimate not mine) .... white they all settled for $10,000,000 - $15,000,000.

I dunno about that.

I'm not saying he is going to sign long term, but he's going to get 6 Million + regardless of the term.

I am very pleased with this signing.
Dubas did good here.