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Big Trade with LA

Créé par: dgfresh78
Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 10 févr. 2020
Publié: 10 févr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
MIN
  1. Hållander, Filip
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
2.
CGY
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex (2 450 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
3.
PIT
  1. Hutton, Ben
  2. Martinez, Alec (2 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Hutton extended 3 years x $2.75M
LAK
  1. Björkqvist, Kasper
  2. Johnson, Jack
  3. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (PIT)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (PIT)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2381 500 000 $74 321 625 $132 500 $3 700 000 $7 178 375 $
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD, C
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
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UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
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UFA - 3
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1
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2 050 000 $2 050 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
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NTC
UFA - 4
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, AD
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UFA - 6
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
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M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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874 125 $874 125 $
DG
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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675 000 $675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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850 000 $850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 2
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
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700 000 $700 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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715 000 $715 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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10 févr. 2020 à 18 h 43
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Do you think La is gonna take Jack Johnson with nothing good in return
10 févr. 2020 à 18 h 46
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Quoting: Hockeytor15
Do you think La is gonna take Jack Johnson with nothing good in return


Thinking about it more now there needs to be a better prospect in it...someone like Bjorkqvist.
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10 févr. 2020 à 18 h 50
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You really want to give Hutton that much money? I've watched every game he's played this season and think that $1.5M is too much.
10 févr. 2020 à 18 h 52
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You really want to give Hutton that much money? I've watched every game he's played this season and think that $1.5M is too much.


I think the lowest he’d go on an extension is between $2M and $2.5M but that’s just me. He’s got good underlying numbers too.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 0
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Hutton is awful. If you are going to pay him that much you might as well just keep JJ.
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 2
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Quoting: dgfresh78
I think the lowest he’d go on an extension is between $2M and $2.5M but that’s just me. He’s got good underlying numbers too.


Quoting: pharrow
Hutton is awful. If you are going to pay him that much you might as well just keep JJ.


I don't think he's awful, I just don't think he's anything better than a #6/7 defenseman. I'd like him at $750k to $1M, but anything more than that is too much.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 8
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Quoting: pharrow
Hutton is awful. If you are going to pay him that much you might as well just keep JJ.


https://www.hockeyviz.com/player/huttobe93/L.A/1920

have you ever made an accurate player evaluation on here?
looks like the team is significantly better with him on the ice than without. hes clearly a good player.
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 8
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
I don't think he's awful, I just don't think he's anything better than a #6/7 defenseman. I'd like him at $750k to $1M, but anything more than that is too much.


youre just wrong
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 11
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https://www.hockeyviz.com/player/huttobe93/L.A/1920

have you ever made an accurate player evaluation on here?
looks like the team is significantly better with him on the ice than without. hes clearly a good player.


I literally just pulled out my laptop to pull a SKATR chart for this but it looks like you beat me to it lol
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 13
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Quoting: karnagex
https://www.hockeyviz.com/player/huttobe93/L.A/1920

have you ever made an accurate player evaluation on here?
looks like the team is significantly better with him on the ice than without. hes clearly a good player.


yeah that really explains why the team leaks goals while he's on the ice giving up 42 goals on the year and only scoring 31.
So much better on the ice with him.

The whole team is bad. He's part of it.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 15
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Quoting: pharrow
yeah that really explains why the team leaks goals while he's on the ice giving up 42 goals on the year and only scoring 31.
So much better on the ice with him.

The whole team is bad. He's part of it.


you really used a plus minus argument.....you really did that.
amazing.
go back to school or something, you clearly dont understand what advanced metrics like these report.
im 100% serious, take a data class. you have brain worms.
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 19
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Quoting: karnagex
youre just wrong


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https://www.hockeyviz.com/player/huttobe93/L.A/1920

have you ever made an accurate player evaluation on here?
looks like the team is significantly better with him on the ice than without. hes clearly a good player.


He might be slightly less bad than a lot of the other defensemen on the team, but that's not saying much. The Kings have Doughty, Martinez, and a bunch of AHL defensemen this year.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 24
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
He might be slightly less bad than a lot of the other defensemen on the team, but that's not saying much. The Kings have Doughty, Martinez, and a bunch of AHL defensemen this year.


still better than johnson, and we'll take it if thats the case.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 27
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
You really want to give Hutton that much money? I've watched every game he's played this season and think that $1.5M is too much.


Quoting: pharrow
Hutton is awful. If you are going to pay him that much you might as well just keep JJ.


I'm just throwing this out there I don't even care if you disagree either https://public.tableau.com/shared/S49YN59CF?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 33
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I'm just throwing this out there I don't even care if you disagree either https://public.tableau.com/shared/S49YN59CF?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y


Sure, but now do that same comparison with Matt Roy and Sean Walker, Hutton's primary competitors for ice time.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 35
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still better than johnson, and we'll take it if thats the case.


I don't disagree. There's not a lot of NHL defensemen that aren't better than Jack Johnson, that doesn't mean they should get a multi-year, $2.75M extension.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 36
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Sure, but now do that same comparison with Matt Roy and Sean Walker, Hutton's primary competitors for ice time.


I totally get what you’re saying and both of them are incredible in terms of advanced stats. This trade would also get them consistent time as well but the only thing I’m really trying to key in on is how he can replace Jack Johnson and he’d do that swimmingly in my opinion.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 49
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I totally get what you’re saying and both of them are incredible in terms of advanced stats. This trade would also get them consistent time as well but the only thing I’m really trying to key in on is how he can replace Jack Johnson and he’d do that swimmingly in my opinion.


By all means, please take Hutton and send us back a quality asset in exchange.
10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 53
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By all means, please take Hutton and send us back a quality asset in exchange.


I think this package does justice for that with it being two very good prospects as well as the draft picks.
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10 févr. 2020 à 19 h 59
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I think this package does justice for that with it being two very good prospects as well as the draft picks.


I don't know that I'd agree that Bjorkqvist is a very good prospect, but I don't really agree that Hutton is a good defenseman either, so I'm sure something like this could get done.
10 févr. 2020 à 20 h 0
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I don't know that I'd agree that Bjorkqvist is a very good prospect, but I don't really agree that Hutton is a good defenseman either, so I'm sure something like this could get done.


Either way he’s a pretty underrated one plus the organization absolutely loves his work ethic and conditioning.
10 févr. 2020 à 20 h 5
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Watching people argue that "good" advanced stats makes a crappy player actually be a good player makes me lol.
10 févr. 2020 à 20 h 12
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Watching people argue that "good" advanced stats makes a crappy player actually be a good player makes me lol.


Watching people have a take like this makes me lol
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10 févr. 2020 à 20 h 12
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you really used a plus minus argument.....you really did that.
amazing.
go back to school or something, you clearly dont understand what advanced metrics like these report.
im 100% serious, take a data class. you have brain worms.


you sit here and insult people like a child because you don't have anything.
I hate to break it to you the stats that really matters is do you win or lose when you are on the ice. They lose when he's on it. It's not just the fault of the other 4 players on the ice.
That "stats" mean all of not much. Go look at all the fancy stats posted above and then ask yourself. If they are true. Why is he bleeding 5v5 goals?
Even using your own stats, He has spent the vast majority of his career in 5v5 play as a below 50% corsi. Even though he's had 92.6% save percentage most of his career he's still bleed goals his whole career.
Furthermore, beyond his bad play he adds nothing else. Unlike a guy like JJ who will actually hit someone, Hutton doesn't do anything. He's not physical, he doesn't clear the net to help the goalie, and he's not really any vast improvement over JJ.
Hell for a "stats" guy who thinks your so educated you might have been bothered to take a much larger picture at a player. But that goes to show the arrogance coming from you.
There's a reason he was one of the last defense men signed last year and for league minimum. HE SUCKS
10 févr. 2020 à 20 h 37
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Quoting: pharrow
you sit here and insult people like a child because you don't have anything.
I hate to break it to you the stats that really matters is do you win or lose when you are on the ice. They lose when he's on it. It's not just the fault of the other 4 players on the ice.
That "stats" mean all of not much. Go look at all the fancy stats posted above and then ask yourself. If they are true. Why is he bleeding 5v5 goals?
Even using your own stats, He has spent the vast majority of his career in 5v5 play as a below 50% corsi. Even though he's had 92.6% save percentage most of his career he's still bleed goals his whole career.
Furthermore, beyond his bad play he adds nothing else. Unlike a guy like JJ who will actually hit someone, Hutton doesn't do anything. He's not physical, he doesn't clear the net to help the goalie, and he's not really any vast improvement over JJ.
Hell for a "stats" guy who thinks your so educated you might have been bothered to take a much larger picture at a player. But that goes to show the arrogance coming from you.
There's a reason he was one of the last defense men signed last year and for league minimum. HE SUCKS


you still dont understand the value of stats. theyre predictive and luck agnostic.
5v5 goals against sucks sure, but you already described why thats a worthless stat given the outcomes.

hope you arent an investor in anything, cuz youd be horrible at it.
 
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