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Cap Hell 4 - 4-tune favours the bold

Créé par: Butlrr
Date de création initiale: fév 8, 2020
Publié: Feb 8 at 4:47 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
Lessons learned:
People hate signing Taylor Hall
People don’t like Michael Amadio

This is more about setting up a sustainable roster that could add a free agent after extending Hughes and EP than making a splash.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Virtanen, Jake23 250 000 $
Stecher, Troy23 000 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan22 000 000 $
Gaudette, Adam21 750 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Tanev, Christopher35 500 000 $
Markström, Jacob35 500 000 $
Dell, Aaron12 000 000 $
Leivo, Josh22 000 000 $
Hutton, Ben22 750 000 $
Transactions
VAN
  1. 2020 3e round pick (PHI)
  2. 2021 4e round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Demko, Thatcher
  2. Beagle, Jay
Détails additionnels:
Team isn’t important, but I doubt San Jose is on Beagle’s no trade list. Also, they need a goalie. The main thing is using Demko as a way to package Beagle’s contract. I’d rather a 3rd and 4th than one 2nd.
VAN
  1. 2020 2e round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Myers, Tyler
  2. Baertschi, Sven
Détails additionnels:
See logic in previous trade.
VAN
  1. Rodrigues, Evan [Droits de RFA]
BUF
  1. Benn, Jordie
Détails additionnels:
Your classic “players need a change of scenery” trade
VAN
  1. Jensen, Nick
WSH
  1. 2020 2e round pick (VAN)
Tanev is great but will get hurt. Jensen can play up the lineup. He’s also cheap enough that if a young d is ready for a full-time role, he could live in the press box or be moved in trade. #champagneproblems
Rachats de contrats
  • Ryan Spooner: 1 033 333 $
Frais appliqués
  • Roberto Luongo: 3 033 206 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
ANA
VAN
PHI
VAN
VAN
VAN
ANA
2021
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
SJS
VAN
VAN
VAN
2022
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 999 872 $0 $4 000 000 $500 128 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
VAN
Miller, J.T.
5 250 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 3
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
VAN
Boeser, Brock
5 875 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
VAN
Pearson, Tanner
3 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
VAN
Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
C
UFA - 3
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
VAN
Roussel, Antoine
3 000 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
VAN
Gaudette, Adam
1 750 000 $
C
RFA
VAN
Virtanen, Jake
3 250 000 $
AD
RFA
VAN
Leivo, Josh
2 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
Rodrigues, Evan
2 000 000 $
C, AG
RFA
VAN
Sutter, Brandon
4 375 000 $
AD, C
NTC
UFA - 1
VAN
Ferland, Micheal
3 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
VAN
Lind, Kole
891 666 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
916 667 $
DG
RFA - 1
VAN
Tanev, Christopher
5 500 000 $
DD
UFA
VAN
Markström, Jacob
5 500 000 $
G
UFA
VAN
Edler, Alexander
6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
VAN
Stecher, Troy
3 000 000 $
DD
RFA
Dell, Aaron
2 000 000 $
G
UFA
Hutton, Ben
2 750 000 $
DG
UFA
WSH
Jensen, Nick
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
VAN
Rafferty, Brogan
700 000 $
DD
RFA - 1

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8 fév à 16 h 49
#1
Rejoint: aoû 2019
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That sharks deal is done
8 fév à 16 h 57
#2
Rejoint: fév 2018
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Do you really think they're actually looking into myers or is it you don't love him?
8 fév à 17 h 03
#3
Hugh Hefner of CF
Rejoint: mai 2018
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Yet another case of D man signed and already looking to trade him.

Poor Myers in this case.
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8 fév à 17 h 07
#4
Canucks
Rejoint: déc 2018
Messages: 485
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That Sharks trade is so bad for the Canucks.. wow.

"Tanev is great but will get hurt." Pretty much every Tanev injury has been blocking a shot aside from Getzlaf falling on his ankle with all of his body weight on a fluke play. He allows Hughes to play his style of game and with the team being better he isnt having to lay out in front of clappers as much anymore.
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8 fév à 19 h 15
#5
Démarrer sujet
Rejoint: fév 2019
Messages: 47
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Do you really think they're actually looking into myers or is it you don't love him?


It’s me. I think management expect he will replace Stetcher or Tanev.

Quoting: Trickster
Yet another case of D man signed and already looking to trade him.

Poor Myers in this case.


Yeah it’s bad because as people I really like the guys I’m trying to get rid of.

Quoting: Tmclean64
That Sharks trade is so bad for the Canucks.. wow.

"Tanev is great but will get hurt." Pretty much every Tanev injury has been blocking a shot aside from Getzlaf falling on his ankle with all of his body weight on a fluke play. He allows Hughes to play his style of game and with the team being better he isnt having to lay out in front of clappers as much anymore.


Don’t look at me. Dumping a bad contract and getting a 2nd (or here, two picks) is about as good as I see it getting for Demko. The Canucks have minimal leverage with the expansion draft around the corner and the goalie trade market has changed in the past several seasons.

As for Tanev, he kills penalties; it’s only a matter of time.
10 fév à 11 h 38
#6
Rejoint: avr 2018
Messages: 86
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Quoting: Butlrr
It’s me. I think management expect he will replace Stetcher or Tanev.



Yeah it’s bad because as people I really like the guys I’m trying to get rid of.



Don’t look at me. Dumping a bad contract and getting a 2nd (or here, two picks) is about as good as I see it getting for Demko. The Canucks have minimal leverage with the expansion draft around the corner and the goalie trade market has changed in the past several seasons.

As for Tanev, he kills penalties; it’s only a matter of time.


why would the canucks want to trade away a top PK centre(who ranks in the top 5 in faceoff %) and our goalie of the future for a 3rd and 4th . how does the expansion draft hurt us canucks only have 2 NMC's (1 forward and 1 dman) so they will be able to protect the ones they want(ep,bo,bb,miller,jv ferland w/nmc, ) and they still have another forward spot plus 2 d spots after Myers. these trades do not help the team get better . let leivo sign elsewhere if they don't trade him. they have hoglander ready to step in after this season(and podklozin next year) resign Markstrom without a NMC and protect the one you want to move forward at the draft and we are still in good shape.
10 fév à 17 h 04
#7
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Quoting: krms33
why would the canucks want to trade away a top PK centre(who ranks in the top 5 in faceoff %) and our goalie of the future for a 3rd and 4th . how does the expansion draft hurt us canucks only have 2 NMC's (1 forward and 1 dman) so they will be able to protect the ones they want(ep,bo,bb,miller,jv ferland w/nmc, ) and they still have another forward spot plus 2 d spots after Myers. these trades do not help the team get better . let leivo sign elsewhere if they don't trade him. they have hoglander ready to step in after this season(and podklozin next year) resign Markstrom without a NMC and protect the one you want to move forward at the draft and we are still in good shape.


I disagree with nearly all of this, obviously.

1. If Jay Beagle was an effective NHL player, he still makes 3 million a year to play on the fourth line (for two more seasons!), is 34 years old and is on a team with cap issues. It’s worse than that though. He is a poor even strength player. His line has been utterly destroyed since November. The biggest issue the team has right now is two defensively poor bottom six lines.

2. The Canucks can either protect Markstrom or Demko, not both. I doubt Markstrom signs without a NMC (why the heck would he?). If they sign Markstrom, it’s highly unlikely Demko isn’t claimed if he’s on the team.

3. Look at recent goalie trades for value. Demko for two picks and salary relief seems fair to me, but clearly we see Beagle differently.

4. Leivo is one of the few effective bottom six forwards the team has and got injured at the worst possible time in terms of maximizing his contract in free agency. He’s found money. In fact, I’d argue that (if he stayed healthy) he’s the sixth best forward on the roster today.

5. I’m going to assume you’ve followed the Canucks prior to 2017, but if you haven’t, having young players integrate seamlessly like Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes is the exception. To expect Hoglander to walk onto the roster and make a positive contribution (hell, even assuming he doesn’t go to Utica!) is beyond optimistic.

6. Think about how you would make the team better while keeping space for Hughes and EP’s second contracts without removing significant salary first. Gotta walk before you can run.
10 fév à 18 h 33
#8
Rejoint: avr 2018
Messages: 86
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Quoting: Butlrr
I disagree with nearly all of this, obviously.

1. If Jay Beagle was an effective NHL player, he still makes 3 million a year to play on the fourth line (for two more seasons!), is 34 years old and is on a team with cap issues. It’s worse than that though. He is a poor even strength player. His line has been utterly destroyed since November. The biggest issue the team has right now is two defensively poor bottom six lines.

2. The Canucks can either protect Markstrom or Demko, not both. I doubt Markstrom signs without a NMC (why the heck would he?). If they sign Markstrom, it’s highly unlikely Demko isn’t claimed if he’s on the team.

3. Look at recent goalie trades for value. Demko for two picks and salary relief seems fair to me, but clearly we see Beagle differently.

4. Leivo is one of the few effective bottom six forwards the team has and got injured at the worst possible time in terms of maximizing his contract in free agency. He’s found money. In fact, I’d argue that (if he stayed healthy) he’s the sixth best forward on the roster today.

5. I’m going to assume you’ve followed the Canucks prior to 2017, but if you haven’t, having young players integrate seamlessly like Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes is the exception. To expect Hoglander to walk onto the roster and make a positive contribution (hell, even assuming he doesn’t go to Utica!) is beyond optimistic.

6. Think about how you would make the team better while keeping space for Hughes and EP’s second contracts without removing significant salary first. Gotta walk before you can run.


so you would rather resign a 30yo goalie and punt 24yo one for cap space and 3rd and 4th round picks no thanks. QH and EP need to be resigned next year and there is over 20m coming off the books at that point. then the following year there is another almost 15m coming off in time to resign BB. hoglander doesn't have to step in be like BB QH and EP have been the last 3 years they are deep enough that he can learn and he may play the up and down to Utica that Gaudette did as the roster isn't devoid of talent with out Leivo. there are young players on the cusp of the NHL roster and the vets give these players time to mature without ridiculous expectations put on them.
how do you figure Stetcher is going to sign for that cheap. he is probably traded at the draft to free up space on the blueline

as for watching the canucks prior to 2017 ive been watching them long enough to remember them going to the finals in 82/94 and 2011.

The Canucks are not going to make wholesale changes like this unless they are getting a major player back and none of these trades help
10 fév à 21 h 47
#9
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Rejoint: fév 2019
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Quoting: krms33
so you would rather resign a 30yo goalie and punt 24yo one for cap space and 3rd and 4th round picks no thanks. QH and EP need to be resigned next year and there is over 20m coming off the books at that point. then the following year there is another almost 15m coming off in time to resign BB. hoglander doesn't have to step in be like BB QH and EP have been the last 3 years they are deep enough that he can learn and he may play the up and down to Utica that Gaudette did as the roster isn't devoid of talent with out Leivo. there are young players on the cusp of the NHL roster and the vets give these players time to mature without ridiculous expectations put on them.
how do you figure Stetcher is going to sign for that cheap. he is probably traded at the draft to free up space on the blueline

as for watching the canucks prior to 2017 ive been watching them long enough to remember them going to the finals in 82/94 and 2011.

The Canucks are not going to make wholesale changes like this unless they are getting a major player back and none of these trades help


Goalies are weird. I’m open to playing either but Markstrom has the team’s trust and has been more durable. Don’t get to keep both indefinitely and if you keep Demko you lose an opportunity at some assets. But fine, point taken.

The 20 million going to QH and EP is because the Canucks are losing a top 6 forward and top 4 D that will also need replacing, plus a raise to Demko if you make him the guy. The money isn’t there to add beyond the core, so expect less depth than more in 18 months unless one of Rafferty, Hoglander, Podkolzin, or other are an immediate home run.

The vets give the youth a chance to mature on a playoff bubble team.

I’m glad to be chatting with a longtime fan. In memoriam: Hunter Shinkaruk, Jordan Schroeder, Cody Hodgson, Fedor Fedorov, Anton Rodin, Sergei Shirokov, Patrick White, Niklas Jensen, I’m getting tired of typing this. The point is, the odds are against our top prospects and a survey of Canucks history should make that super apparent.
 
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