Quoting: DarthBriggles
First off I don't think you understand where your Ducks are at in their lifecycles of an NHL team. They are currently in a rebuild phase. That means only draft picks over the next 2 to 3 years and players under 23 actually have face value to the team. Everything else is trade bait. That said Anaheim and Toronto have a long history of being good trade partners. Furthermore Anaheim is currently on the "in debt" side of that equation.
It's always great hearing from an outsider where my team is in it's "life-cycle", especially when they're wrong. We are not "rebuilding", we are going through a re-tooling phase as we transition past the Getzlaf/Perry era. This isn't the same crappy Leafs team that missed the playoffs 9 out of 10 years from 2006-2016 and had to strip everything back before building up again over 3-5 years (and you still can't make the playoffs on a consistent basis). ANA has drafted extremely well with their late 1st/2nd round picks that they had during their competitive years and we now have a deep pool of good prospects coming through. What we don't have is a franchise forward, but, as TOR fans will be quite aware, these players are relatively easy to pick up if you are lucky enough to get a high draft pick (Matthews, Marner, Nylander). Unfortunately, we just haven't sucked hard enough for long enough to get one of these yet.
Nope, we won't be trading away anyone over 23 years of age. That's how you end up like EDM, with a bunch of kids who don't know how to win or have any experience of what it takes to go all the way. The Ducks will be doing it the right way and keeping their experienced veterans to protect and guide the youth as they come through the ranks. We have an elite netminder in Gibson, a solid back-end with Lindholm, Fowler, Gudbranson, and Manson, and a young group of prospect coming through. Add to that a franchise forward, or a couple more elite players and we'll be fine.
Quoting: DarthBriggles
Kapanen (23 yrs 31 pts) isn't an immediate upgrade to Silfverberg (29 yrs 31 pts). But Silfverberg is going to be in his decline and Kapanen is only getting better. Not to mention Kapanen has done all this on the 3rd line in Toronto. Bumping up to the 1st line would see him excell far beyond Silfverberg in points. And you obviously haven't see him play if you think he doesn't "drive the play" as much. Kase (
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/ondrej-kase/) doesn't even come close to Kapanen (
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kasperi-kapanen/) in potential or probability of reaching said potential. Manson has had one good year and the rest have been decent. He's be expected to have at least 2 more years as good as his best in TO to make him worth anything. So Kapanen for Mason requires more on the Ducks end of the deal by far.
Hey, I like KK. I would happily add him to our roster, but not in a straight up deal for Manson.
Quoting: DarthBriggles
Cody Ceci isn't going to replace Manson by any stretch but he does fill in the gap on the right side one line down.
Ceci sucks. Stop trying to sugarcoat him. He does nothing for us. He's a cap dump. Anyway, I think he's injured now and can't be traded.
Quoting: DarthBriggles
With Ritchie, you have to give to get. Anaheim has enough of his player type that trading any one based on the "toughness" aspect doesn't carry weight. And based on who else is coming up, their comparative ages and giving them ice time to "bloom", Ritchie is odd man out and with lower than face value.
Hey, I like Ritchie. I think he adds another dimension to ANA and he's really the only big-body that we have who can sit in front of the opposing netminder during the PP. Having said that, he's movable in the right deal. He's not a superstar and he's not going to have a noticeable impact TORs play, but he's one of those guys who will have the opposing D-men thinking and looking over their shoulder. That extra half-second while they look around is small, but makes a difference to forecheckers and puck hounders.
Quoting: DarthBriggles
Lindgren is 22 yrs old with a projected 7.0 talent score and a D rating of reaching that potential (so likely to end up a 6.0 to 7.0) with offensive potential Manson just doesn't have Manson is 28 yrs old with a projected 6.0 talent score (already reached but one season only) and a C rating of reaching that potential (age would indicate unlikely to be as good as his best season again)
Lindgren is exactly the good potential prospect R-handed D that Anaheim wants right now for a rebuilding team. Manson is completely expendable and trade-fodder. Add Mac Hollowell 21 yrs old R-handed D that plays solid D like Manson and now you have two good young D men to grow with over the next decade.
Those ratings don't mean anything. Lindgren, Timashov, Hollowell are throw-ins for me and have no real value. You might as well remove them to simplify the deal.
Quoting: DarthBriggles
But again I will take your comments into consideration and rework the trade.
Keep it simple.
Manson + Ritchie + Holzer <----> KK + Sandin/Liljegren + Ceci + 2nd
A deal to consider at least.