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Ottawa Senators 2019-20 Trade Deadline

Créé par: FantasySens
Date de création initiale: fév 4, 2020
Publié: Feb 5 at 12:06 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Explications
Trying to keep this as realistic as possible. Doesn't seem like the market for pure rentals is going to be very good. So altho I wish Pageau could return more, I don't believe he will. This is of course all based on Pageau and DeMelo not being resigned by the team. There are also rumours of Hainsey resigning as well, so throw that deal out the window as well, if he does.

One thing is for sure, OTT has alot of potential UFA's that they culd get later round picks for, but imo they'll have to juggle the value of a late round pick and the value of keeping their younger prospects marinating in the AHL very carefully.

Trade too many veterans and you weaken a very strong AHL club. Trade too few and you'll start losing guys in the summer for nothing, if they don't resign.

Discussion welcome! Let me know what you think.
Transactions
OTT
  1. 2020 2e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
OTT
  1. 2020 5e round pick (TOR)
FLA
  1. Hainsey, Ron (1 750 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. 2020 6e round pick (FLA)
COL
  1. Anderson, Craig (2 375 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. 2021 4e round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav (1 625 000 $ retained)
OTT
  1. Ho-Sang, Joshua
  2. 2020 2e round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
  2. Ennis, Tyler
Rachats de contrats
  • Dion Phaneuf: 729 167 $
  • Alexandre Burrows: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Ron Hainsey: 1 750 000 $ (50%)
  • Craig Anderson: 2 375 000 $ (50%)
  • Vladislav Namestnikov: 1 625 000 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
OTT
SJS
OTT
CBJ
DAL
WPG
NYI
OTT
OTT
TBL
TOR
SJS
STL
FLA
OTT
2021
OTT
OTT
CBJ
SJS
OTT
EDM
OTT
OTT
2022
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $67 574 124 $0 $3 012 500 $13 925 876 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
OTT
Tierney, Chris
2 937 500 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Connor
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
OTT
Duclair, Anthony
1 650 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Batherson, Drake
736 666 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
750 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
OTT
Anisimov, Artem
4 550 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
NYI
Ho-Sang, Joshua
874 125 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Boedker, Mikkel
4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
OTT
Chlapik, Filip
728 333 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Sabourin, Scott
700 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
863 333 $
DG
UFA - 1
OTT
Jaros, Christian
755 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Nilsson, Anders
2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 2
OTT
Reilly, Mike
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 5
OTT
Högberg, Marcus
700 000 $
G
RFA - 2
OTT
Borowiecki, Mark
1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
OTT
Wolanin, Christian
900 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
OTT
Goloubef, Cody
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
OTT
MacArthur, Clarke
4 650 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Ryan, Bobby
7 250 000 $
AD, AG
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Gáborík, Marián
4 875 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Callahan, Ryan
5 800 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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5 fév à 12 h 07
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If you are going to retain half on Anderson, i can tell you already their are 3-5 teams that will give you more than a 6th for him
5 fév à 12 h 11
#2
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Quoting: DocArin0
If you are going to retain half on Anderson, i can tell you already their are 3-5 teams that will give you more than a 6th for him


I think OTT basically has to retain salary in the majority of their deals, or they won't be above the cap floor. It can be a huge weapon. I'm not sure how valued Anderson is anymore around the league. He's been very good in the playoffs when he makes it, but has been inconsistent again this yr and with his numbers this year, I'd be very hesitant to give up too large of an asset.
5 fév à 12 h 20
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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You might have been a little modest in some of those returns. If Ottawa retains they should get some mid levels picks or better as you suggest. But even at that if the Sens got two NHLers from those picks it would be a bonanza. Would be nice to see a those veterans who may in their last year get a shot at a Cup.
5 fév à 12 h 29
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DeMelo's value is hard to say. He's only at 900k and hes been pretty solid, but hes also a rental and hed command a big pay raise so it would be a little unreasonable for a team to resign him. You could also definitely get more in that NYI deal. Ho-Sang is 24 and hasn't played a game in the NHL this season. I think for Pageau and Ennis you could definitely get Ho Sang and a 1st
5 fév à 12 h 57
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NYI deal is realy bad for OTT, Ho Sang is a bust and a 2nd is not enough for Pageau.
5 fév à 13 h 02
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Quoting: SlickWilly
DeMelo's value is hard to say. He's only at 900k and hes been pretty solid, but hes also a rental and hed command a big pay raise so it would be a little unreasonable for a team to resign him. You could also definitely get more in that NYI deal. Ho-Sang is 24 and hasn't played a game in the NHL this season. I think for Pageau and Ennis you could definitely get Ho Sang and a 1st


Ya like I say my heart says they're worth more, but when the media that's trying to sell a full day deadline show, is admitting the market for rentals will be way down, I have to believe the market will be lower than the norm...haha. Too many GM's doing their research now and realizing that big priced rentals at the deadline don't necessarily get you any closer to a cup. For me, if guys like Pageau and Demelo are unsigned by the deadline getting something is better than losing them for nothing in the summer.
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5 fév à 13 h 11
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Quoting: FantasySens
I think OTT basically has to retain salary in the majority of their deals, or they won't be above the cap floor. It can be a huge weapon. I'm not sure how valued Anderson is anymore around the league. He's been very good in the playoffs when he makes it, but has been inconsistent again this yr and with his numbers this year, I'd be very hesitant to give up too large of an asset.


Well done, this is very realistic. You certainly won't be disappointed come Feb 24th!

But here's another idea: instead of retaining salary and getting picks back, you could trade your pending UFA for a player with a little term left. For instance, Namestnikov to Edmonton for Jujhar Khaira. Khaira is better than a 4th round pick, and cheaper (this year) than retaining $1.6M on Namestnikov. Edmonton does it because they're near the max for contracts and it free's up $1.2M on next year's cap, giving them more flexibility next summer.
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5 fév à 13 h 41
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Quoting: CD282
Well done, this is very realistic. You certainly won't be disappointed come Feb 24th!

But here's another idea: instead of retaining salary and getting picks back, you could trade your pending UFA for a player with a little term left. For instance, Namestnikov to Edmonton for Jujhar Khaira. Khaira is better than a 4th round pick, and cheaper (this year) than retaining $1.6M on Namestnikov. Edmonton does it because they're near the max for contracts and it free's up $1.2M on next year's cap, giving them more flexibility next summer.


You're right. And OTT has used this type of strategy in the past, because of Melnyk's issues with "cost certainty"...

If a few "NHL" players come back in return, it also helps keep our youth marinating in the AHL. I like it! Cheers!
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5 fév à 13 h 43
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Quoting: athrin
NYI deal is realy bad for OTT, Ho Sang is a bust and a 2nd is not enough for Pageau.


I hope too that they can get more, but without a contract in place for Pageau, I think teams will be very chincey...

Ho Sang may be a similar reclamation project to DuClair last yr, but you're probably right, his off ice attitude screams BUST...
5 fév à 13 h 59
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DickFoligno
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Quoting: FantasySens
I hope too that they can get more, but without a contract in place for Pageau, I think teams will be very chincey...

Ho Sang may be a similar reclamation project to DuClair last yr, but you're probably right, his off ice attitude screams BUST...


Teams will be hesitant on Pageau because even though the market for centers is thin, these GMs know what he is doing this year is unsustainable. He’s seeing more ice time than he ever has in his career and he is shooting at a career high 17%. and is playing more minutes than he ever has in his career on a terrible Ottawa team. He’s an ideal third line center for most teams in contention, but I think it will be tougher to get a first for him than people think
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5 fév à 17 h 38
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Quoting: Ristoeichel
Teams will be hesitant on Pageau because even though the market for centers is thin, these GMs know what he is doing this year is unsustainable. He’s seeing more ice time than he ever has in his career and he is shooting at a career high 17%. and is playing more minutes than he ever has in his career on a terrible Ottawa team. He’s an ideal third line center for most teams in contention, but I think it will be tougher to get a first for him than people think


bubble teams will be hesitant, contenders will not they WANT a rental that is playing career year, increases the odds of them winning
 
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