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Blues beef up the back end

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Équipe: 2019-20 Blues de St-Louis
Date de création initiale: 4 févr. 2020
Publié: 4 févr. 2020
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  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Faulk, Justin
  3. Kostin, Klim
  4. Walman, Jake
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (STL)
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4 févr. 2020 à 22 h 26
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Lol... is this a joke. Why would CLB, a team vying for a playoff spot, give up their young D-men? Especially for a whole pile of “nothing special”
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4 févr. 2020 à 22 h 49
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You aren’t even close on the Columbus trade. Dunn would need to be going the other way for Werenski not the pile of meh you’re sending. Quality over quantity.
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4 févr. 2020 à 23 h 9
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It's not a pile of meh, as suggested, but Columbus ain't doing that. And hell to the no on Marleau. Eww.
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4 févr. 2020 à 23 h 10
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Quoting: Ajp_18
You aren’t even close on the Columbus trade. Dunn would need to be going the other way for Werenski not the pile of meh you’re sending. Quality over quantity.


Quoting: mytduxfan
Lol... is this a joke. Why would CLB, a team vying for a playoff spot, give up their young D-men? Especially for a whole pile of “nothing special”



First of all you both are hilariously biased. Second this is bad from both points of view. Dunn>Werenski so that’s a huge no. Faulk is more in the Werenski skill range even tho being the elder. Kostin is a Top Prospect, Allen has a .925 Sv Pct this year. Perunovich and Walman both have Top 4 Upside. Korpisalo is like useless for us, and tbh I don’t want Werenski to be honest. Wouldnt want him. I like having Dunn, and Werenski isn’t worth him with what Dunn brings to the table for us.
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5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 15
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First of all you both are hilariously biased. Second this is bad from both points of view. Dunn>Werenski so that’s a huge no. Faulk is more in the Werenski skill range even tho being the elder. Kostin is a Top Prospect, Allen has a .925 Sv Pct this year. Perunovich and Walman both have Top 4 Upside. Korpisalo is like useless for us, and tbh I don’t want Werenski to be honest. Wouldnt want him. I like having Dunn, and Werenski isn’t worth him with what Dunn brings to the table for us.


Fine. I’m not even a CLB fan. You keep your guys and CLB can keep theirs. Faulk is more than a few tiers below Werenski. Allen is awful and you know it. Super inconsistent and crumbles during the playoffs. Kostin is ok, but he doesn’t make up for the shortfall in value. The rest are just throw-ins.

It’s funny how Dunn>Werenski, but the kid is older, scored less points, and is more sheltered. Werenski is on pace for 20+ goals this season as a D-man. He’s an extremely talented, albeit sheltered, individual and still developing. Dunn is at least a couple tiers below Werenski. Take the homer glasses off and stop being so offended. It’s ok if opposing teams have better players than you.

More importantly though, where is the consideration of CLB’s needs? Why would CLB, a team that currently sits in a playoff spot move their 2nd best D-man in a quality for quantity deal? Makes no sense.
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5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 27
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Quoting: Ajp_18
You aren’t even close on the Columbus trade. Dunn would need to be going the other way for Werenski not the pile of meh you’re sending. Quality over quantity.


Quoting: mytduxfan
Fine. I’m not even a CLB fan. You keep your guys and CLB can keep theirs. Faulk is more than a few tiers below Werenski. Allen is awful and you know it. Super inconsistent and crumbles during the playoffs. Kostin is ok, but he doesn’t make up for the shortfall in value. The rest are just throw-ins.

It’s funny how Dunn>Werenski, but the kid is older, scored less points, and is more sheltered. Werenski is on pace for 20+ goals this season as a D-man. He’s an extremely talented, albeit sheltered, individual and still developing. Dunn is at least a couple tiers below Werenski. Take the homer glasses off and stop being so offended. It’s ok if opposing teams have better players than you.

More importantly though, where is the consideration of CLB’s needs? Why would CLB, a team that currently sits in a playoff spot move their 2nd best D-man in a quality for quantity deal? Makes no sense.


Quoting: mytduxfan
Fine. I’m not even a CLB fan. You keep your guys and CLB can keep theirs. Faulk is more than a few tiers below Werenski. Allen is awful and you know it. Super inconsistent and crumbles during the playoffs. Kostin is ok, but he doesn’t make up for the shortfall in value. The rest are just throw-ins.

It’s funny how Dunn>Werenski, but the kid is older, scored less points, and is more sheltered. Werenski is on pace for 20+ goals this season as a D-man. He’s an extremely talented, albeit sheltered, individual and still developing. Dunn is at least a couple tiers below Werenski. Take the homer glasses off and stop being so offended. It’s ok if opposing teams have better players than you.

More importantly though, where is the consideration of CLB’s needs? Why would CLB, a team that currently sits in a playoff spot move their 2nd best D-man in a quality for quantity deal? Makes no sense.


I don't want to hear BS.
5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 45
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First of all you both are hilariously biased. Second this is bad from both points of view. Dunn>Werenski so that’s a huge no. Faulk is more in the Werenski skill range even tho being the elder. Kostin is a Top Prospect, Allen has a .925 Sv Pct this year. Perunovich and Walman both have Top 4 Upside. Korpisalo is like useless for us, and tbh I don’t want Werenski to be honest. Wouldnt want him. I like having Dunn, and Werenski isn’t worth him with what Dunn brings to the table for us.


Then we can all agree that the trade is trash and shouldn’t happen. Neither team wants to make it. No need to quote people a million times to say the same thing.
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5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 45
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De la rose sucks. Laferriere is okay I guess. Probably fair enough value for Marleau but we dont want Rose, hes waiver fodder
5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 47
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Then we can all agree that the trade is trash and shouldn’t happen. Neither team wants to make it. No need to quote people a million times to say the same thing.


I was trying to get a Evolving Hockey Chart but it wouldn't send, but it shows Dunn>Werenski. Werenski might be slightly better SH on Offense, but Dunn takes the cake everywhere else on Offense and on Defense.
5 févr. 2020 à 0 h 48
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I was trying to get a Evolving Hockey Chart but it wouldn't send, but it shows Dunn>Werenski. Werenski might be slightly better SH on Offense, but Dunn takes the cake everywhere else on Offense and on Defense.


You continue my point.... neither team is willing to give up what the other would want for said players...
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5 févr. 2020 à 1 h 32
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I was trying to get a Evolving Hockey Chart but it wouldn't send, but it shows Dunn>Werenski. Werenski might be slightly better SH on Offense, but Dunn takes the cake everywhere else on Offense and on Defense.


Yeah, Dunn wins in everything except G/GP, PTs/GP, Total G, Total pts. You can keep doing mental gymnastics to justify your nonsensical belief that Dunn is better than Werenski. No one cares. Keep Dunn and CLB can keep Werenski. The trade is poorly thought out and does nothing for CLB.

Ultimately everyone is happy with their guy.
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5 févr. 2020 à 10 h 1
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I don't want to hear BS.


Then don't go quoting other people and not respecting their opinions they offer back, whether you agree with them or not.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 23
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Yeah, Dunn wins in everything except G/GP, PTs/GP, Total G, Total pts. You can keep doing mental gymnastics to justify your nonsensical belief that Dunn is better than Werenski. No one cares. Keep Dunn and CLB can keep Werenski. The trade is poorly thought out and does nothing for CLB.

Ultimately everyone is happy with their guy.


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Then don't go quoting other people and not respecting their opinions they offer back, whether you agree with them or not.


I mean you guys were the one to say Werenski was better but in fact he isn’t better.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 24
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Then don't go quoting other people and not respecting their opinions they offer back, whether you agree with them or not.


BS as in they need to think smarter not harder. At least give proof to back it up. Oh wait they can’t because he gets carried and that’s the problem. Basic stats doesn’t show how much he leans on other.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 24
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I mean you guys were the one to say Werenski was better but in fact he isn’t better.


Who cares? That's besides the point.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 43
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Quoting: mytduxfan
Allen is awful and you know it. Super inconsistent and crumbles during the playoffs. Kostin is ok, but he doesn’t make up for the shortfall in value. The rest are just throw-ins.


Eh, I'd push back on this a bit. Allen is historically great in the playoffs and also has been one of the best goaltenders in the league this season. Perunovich projects to be a top four if not top pairing defenseman. Obviously the trade is bad, mostly because neither team has a reason to make this trade, but those guys are not just dumps. Faulk however....
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 43
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Who cares? That's besides the point.


But that is the point. That’s been the point the entire time...
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 45
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Can other Blues fans pretty please stop screwing with a team that doesn't need to be screwed with? I don't care about Werenski, Rakell, Krieder, whoever. They're good but we do not need these people to win a cup, and we're spending a ton of the future to get them in all these proposals.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 45
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I mean you guys were the one to say Werenski was better but in fact he isn’t better.


Except he is and that’s proven by his numbers. The fact you have get some 5v5, goals/60, on high danger opportunities, on a sunny day on a Tuesday just shows how much you’re reaching. Dunn has less points per game than Werenski. Therefore, Werenski is better. Splitting hairs is only useful when it’s close, but it’s not close. Werenski is better than Dunn and no cherry-picked chart is going to change that.
5 févr. 2020 à 11 h 51
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But that is the point. That’s been the point the entire time...


Stating it as "BS" does not make it so. You can use whatever justification to make your point that you'd like but if not everyone agrees on those justifications, you'll get valid disagreement.

Remember YOU quoted them and stated YOU don't want to listen to BS. See how that is a negative feedback?
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5 févr. 2020 à 12 h 16
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Eh, I'd push back on this a bit. Allen is historically great in the playoffs and also has been one of the best goaltenders in the league this season. Perunovich projects to be a top four if not top pairing defenseman. Obviously the trade is bad, mostly because neither team has a reason to make this trade, but those guys are not just dumps. Faulk however....


That’s not true. He had one good playoff run in 2016-17, but has been well-below average in every other playoff run before and after. He’s been largely the reason you’ve gotten dumped out the 1st round so many times... that was until Binnington, his lord and saviour, arrived on scene. Even last year he only played 24 mins of the playoff hockey, faced 4 shots and still conceded 1 goal for a SV% of 0.750%... not great! And it’s not like his in-season performance makes up for his poor playoff performances either. He’s a very average netminder, best-suited as a back-up or in a 1A-1B type role. He’s not a legitimate starter and certainly not elite and, therefore, holds very little value. I don’t see the need to sugar-coat him at this point.

As far as Perunovich, I think saying he has top 4D upside is a stretch. He’s undersized and isn't strong defensively. Looks better built to be a bottom 6 PP specialist. In any event, he’s prospect, he has risked attached. He’s not a dump, but he’s not that enticing either in a deal for Werenski. Point taken and accepted though.
5 févr. 2020 à 12 h 21
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Quoting: mytduxfan
Dunn has less points per game than Werenski. Therefore, Werenski is better.


This is very dangerous logic, especially for defensemen.
5 févr. 2020 à 12 h 39
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This is very dangerous logic, especially for defensemen.


Not really when their advanced stats are largely same and we’re talking about offensive D-men. If you’re comparing Werenski vs Parayako, then you’re right. However, here we are talking about two players who excel on offence and so comparing goals and points totals is absolutely a valid means of assessing their abilities as hockey players.
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5 févr. 2020 à 12 h 52
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Not really when their advanced stats are largely same and we’re talking about offensive D-men. If you’re comparing Werenski vs Parayako, then you’re right. However, here we are talking about two players who excel on offence and so comparing goals and points totals is absolutely a valid means of assessing their abilities as hockey players.


Even if you're only gonna look at traditional stats, you at least have to consider TOI and toss out the power play. In the last 3 seasons those two have played 206 and 207 games, but Werenski has over 700 more 5v5 minutes. Werenski still outproduces Dunn on a P/60 basis but it becomes a fair (and close) comparison.
5 févr. 2020 à 12 h 56
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Quoting: mytduxfan
Except he is and that’s proven by his numbers. The fact you have get some 5v5, goals/60, on high danger opportunities, on a sunny day on a Tuesday just shows how much you’re reaching. Dunn has less points per game than Werenski. Therefore, Werenski is better. Splitting hairs is only useful when it’s close, but it’s not close. Werenski is better than Dunn and no cherry-picked chart is going to change that.


Basic stats are for basic people. Look into the advanced stats before you say anything.
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