Domi and Panarin would be a good duo.

he only suggested the Kreider trade?

Yea

Toronto trade is nowhere close. Leafs don't want/need Fast or Buch.

Arent Kapanen and Buchnevich pretty similar in trade value?

God I love leafs fans I make a trade that’s fair so u guys are able to keep offense and get there goalie. Yet you guys can’t see past kapanen is worth the world

That *you think* is fair. Toronto doesn't need to acquire forwards (especially pending UFA forwards or third line guys), they need a defenceman. Why would they trade their best trade chip without getting a defenceman back? They wouldn't. Therefore, as I said, the trade is nowhere close to what they would want and they don't want or need your mediocre forwards. I am not sure why you're confused.

Sure, adding Georgiev would be nice, but that is nowhere near a price the Leafs would pay.

They are but every leafs fan cries about it so I added more

Maybe it depends on who you ask. Buchnevich is older and has less team control (with a shorter contract). They have produced similarly, but with Kapanen having 3rd line minutes and no powerplay time. They might be close, but I would imagine most teams would want Kapanen due to his tools and what I would imagine is a higher ceiling. But fans tend to like their own players better so it's probably depending on which blue team you cheer for.

That’s exactly why I added a lot more for you guys bc I knew that each team would be bias

So basically he suggested a 1st for Kreider and McKegg?

Lets be honest on Kyrou. He's a bust. They should have traded him while he had value. But last year was pathetic and this year they hide him giving him 62% of his starts in the Ozone because he is awful in his own end. I don't think he'd make that line up for NY. He'd be in the AHL.

From NY s perspective too.... wouldnt want to swap out for these players.... trade helps neither

Blues fans will give u crap for this hhaha. I guess change it too kostin?

While I think you can make an argument that Buch and Kap are close, why this isn't appealing to TO is due to the depth they have the left side, they don't need another left handed winger but after Kap, don't have a lot of depth at RW. Also Kap is younger and has similar production playing lower in the lineup. But lets just call that a wash.

The rest is a backup goalie with average stats another depth player TO has no need for and they are giving up a young guy who's looking to be just as good if not better than Buch. So really, this isn't a trade that checks many boxes for TO. Gieorgiev isn't getting you Kap, this is just a ridiculous hot take that won't die. It should. Lets just stop with this madness.

Before you go on calling me a stupid Leaf homer because I think we should get every at the cost of nothing, I am a proponent of no moves being made. I don't think the expected returns in the trade market are remotely close to reality so I'd just stand pat. Really TO has the 3rd best record (I think, but I am not 100% Certain) since Keefe took over as coach. They are already one of the better teams in the league since he became coach.

you again lol. i'm fairly certain Kyrou must've banged your girl or something. maybe he embarrassed you in the OHL? You call him a bust any chance you get; the dude isn't even a full-time NHLer yet, but if you want to read his corsi and his OZ start % and draw your conclusions that's fine. The Blues aren't trading him and they're not giving up on him to get a rental.

My point was less about value and more about the players Toronto was acquiring. They don't want those guys. They have equal or better of those guys already, what they want is D. Toronto is not making a move unless it helps their defence. Fast is probably a fourth liner in Toronto and Buch is maybe a third. There's no value for Toronto to trade for those guys. And giving up Engvall doesn't seem like a move Toronto wants to make either, he's a cost-certain bottom 6 forward who knows their system. This trade just doesn't make sense for Toronto at all.

yeah, they gave me crap all last year when I said it then too.
But facts are facts.
I would ask for Kostin. But do I think he's worth a 1st and Kostin. No I don't. I don't even know if he's really worth the 1st. All analytics say no.

when you know he's a bust and go right to personal insults because you have all of Jack s#!t to say when it comes to hockey. Just delete your account if you can't manage to talk hockey without being a jack a$$.

He sucks. You want to look at his corsi. Yeah go look at it last year when he had to play in the defensive zone. 40 some %.
They hide him 62% in the offensive zone because he has no business on the ice. And he hasn't done anything with it. 2 goals in 15 games for a guy getting 62% of his time in the ozone. Does that sound like the return you want. Go ask yourself why you let a guy with such bad performance stay there.
Blues fans got ever excuse in the world for a guy who's not an NHL level player.
You hide him in the Ozone with your best offensive players where he drags down the whole line with poor performance and you think "look at his corsi".
Meanwhile you got a 1st or 2nd line player on pace for what 10-11 goals on the year. How pathetic is that.
On any team worth anything in the whole league that would not be acceptable. He'd be on a lower line. But they can't put him there because then it would be all to obvious again that he's worthless on the ice.
But you keep justifying that having guys on 1st or 2nd lines that aren't capable of knocking in 20 goals a year is ok.

I would not get my hopes up on a first AND Kyrou. When a team asks for "at least" a certain return, that typically indicates that the ask will be the price ceiling, not the price floor. It's like any negotiation: if you are a seller and you set a price, the buyer will likely negotiate down from that price. Therefore, expect at the most a first rounder, a bottom six forward or prospect, and a conditional pick. Because there are reportedly 8 teams interested (meaning high demand and a more saturated market), it is very possible that NYR could get close to that price. I think adding Kyrou with the first goes a little too far, and STL would probably like to move some salary in the deal, in case Tarasenko returns before the season ends.

You are being dense. I don't care about his corsi. I barely care about his on-ice performance at all at this point. He's a developing player on a contending team. He hasn't been given much opportunity. But the skill is there. Not every player bursts into the league and hits their ceiling right away. Kreider had 3 points in his first 23 games. Scheifele had 4 pts in his first 26 games. Were you shouting "trade the bust" about those guys? He's not a full time NHLer. He's. a. twenty. one. year. old. kid. And any time he makes a mistake he's stapled on the bench and then healthy scratched. If he played every game in the top six and failed to make an impact you could call him a bust after a few seasons! He hasn't played nearly enough to draw the conclusions you're trying to make. Sorry if there was a personal attack. I just don't see why you are dead set on watching him fail.

PIerre showed ignorance with this trade suggestion, plain and simple.

Yamamoto is not going anywhere. The 2020 3rd is likely going to Calgary as part of the James Real Deal Neal Steal.

Back to the drawing board you go.

how can you say he hasn't been given an opportunity. He gets 62% of his starts in the Ozone. 90% of rookies aren't given that kind of chance. They have to work up from a 4th or 3rd line roles and earn it. It's not handed to them. You keep trying to make these totally vapid arguments. When Kreider was 22 he put up 17 goals in 60 some games. That's next year for Kyrou. Tell me when he shows the same nothing next year is the "I don't care how he plays" mentality going to work? I mean it was the same excuse last year. People named players who turn it around at 21. Welp 21 is here and...........nothing.
Because we both know he's not putting up those numbers. It didn't take Kreider 3 shots in the NHL to adjust and he had a much much much higher pedigree than Kyrou does.
You know how you lose value in a player. You hold them forever hoping "one day they will turn it around" when the truth is it's best to cut lose on a guy.
Boston did it with Donato. The penguins did it with Sprong. I mean if you want to talk comparable lets talk comparable.
Kyrou is no different then those two, only difference is, both Boston and the Penguins got something out of a guy who was soon to have little to no value. STL ran him into the ground on hopes and dreams instead of getting off the ship while they had the chance.
As much as you hate to realize it, teams aren't developing guys forever. And the guy has done absolutely nothing at the NHL level. To say it doesn't matter is just garbage. It does matter. He's suppose to look competent out there. When you play 12 minutes a night and get most of your starts in the Ozone and they even give you some power play time and you have almost nothing to show for it. That basically says last chance. Especially with Kostin knocking on the door behind him.
He HAD value. once upon a time. That is gone. So you let me know when you are ready to give up on him next year when your "comparables" flop.

I guess we're not going to agree lol. I'm saying he hasn't been impressive in the NHL but things can change. You're saying he hasn't been impressive so it's game over thanks for coming. There are comparables you can cite to show either narrative. I just can't stand the "bust" label when it's handed to guys that are still young and will continue to get more opportunities. If you would consider watching the games that Kyrou draws into, you will see the flashes of his speed and skill on the puck. Just needs to get some confidence and he'll be a producer. I'll let you know when I'm ready to give up on him.

I have seen him play, that's why I think he's a bust. It's not just about speed or skill. It's about not getting your ass flattened when someone back checks you while you are trying to lay a forecheck.
You have to have the drive and the will. The determination at this level. He does not have that. It's why he can't play defense. He's not a willing combatant.
You seem to think he's a show pony. If he was a show pony you'd know it by now. It would be more than evident. There are many of them who have come into the league at 21 or younger and actually proven they have that level of skill. He does not. So when you don't have that, you better be willing to do the rest. What ever it takes to stick here. But he's not. And that's all there is to that. It's evident all over the ice. Which is why the coaching staff hides him. If you want it you have to earn it. Because when you aren't the high end skill, the guys who are going to stick are the guys willing to go through a wall to get it.