I don't see Canes trading Edmundson, at least not for that. Put TvR on that spot and it would look better.

I could see Boston offering a Backes, 1st, and a pair of prospects for Staal.

Works for me! I was only thinking of the roster spot and cap space. Edmunson is probably too good and might hurt the Wild by blocking a shot or something.

I don’t want the Wild getting any current NHLers back in trades unless they are under 23, or a cap dump (like Backes) to get more assets out of the trade. I want them to get as young (and bad) as possible so they can completely rebuild this mess.

Foligno could get a 2nd by himself. Physical guys always get overpaid for at the TDL.

If Backes doesn't come with at least a 2nd+ then Bos can keep him. $4m and $1m in dead cap is his buyout.

1+ years of Staal, who is still a 60p+ top-6 center making chump change, better get more than 2 2nds.

The Car trade doesn't make much sense for either team.

Toronto should have kept Marleau for this final season, instead of sacrificing their first. Matthews & Marner are exceptional hockey players, but should each see $10+ M immediately after the ELC? I can go back say why sign a 37 year old $6.5 M for 3 year. It is a mess in Toronto. I sorry for being a little off topic. I needed to vent.

In the case of getting a roster guy from Carolina, they could flip that player for a pick. I didn't include that because I have no idea what Carolina's defensemen are worth.



I think you're overvaluing Foligno. GMs aren't giving up assets like they used to. Backes isn't a big enough problem for the Bruins to justify a lot more like you've suggested. If they buy him out, his cap hit isn't bad for a team that doesn't really have other problem contracts. Getting anything out of them, especially moving up in a deep draft, is a win.

Maybe you get more from Staal. He vanished last time he was traded and look how he played last year when rumors had him on the trade block. I think GMs would hesitate to give up a 1st, unless it's under the scenario @Gofnut999 suggested which I'd rather take. I just didn't think the Bruins would have a ton of interest.

Bravo on the bruins trade. i dont think foligno is the target but the description in it thank you. crazy how dumb people are that think its similar.

Here is the thing with Boston and Backes. If they use a significant pick to move Backes and get nothing in return they are screwing themselves. It severely limits the capital they have to work with to make other moves as they are highly unlikely to trade a 1st and a 2nd from the same draft. The only way they could do the above is if LA would accept a 21 2nd and prospect for Toffoli or something similar with other teams accepting a 21 pick.

Boston wanted Staal last year and had a deal in place that Fenton backed out of. It’s not the RW they need but Bjork is looking like it might not be as necessary as that once was. Staal takes 3C, Coyle slides to RW. It works for both teams if the prospects can be agreed upon.

Be pretty hard pressed to get a 2nd straight up for Foligno.

@Gofnut999 @MNBassman @KubaH

Fixed the trades. Be nice if they could get more, but I'd consider these minimum to get a serious conversation going.

Last time he was traded NYR used him as a 3rd line winger. I have no problem not trading Staal. I actually think its a very bad idea. The guy is on a great contract, he wants to be in MN, and he's not blocking anyone prospects from playing time.

If you want another comparable for Backes; that's not Marleau; use Orpik. He cost a 2nd and Grubauer for WSH to get rid of. His buyout was only $2.5m and $1.5m.

So hold on to him and lose him for nothing after next year? That's worse asset management than trading for a lower return than you think he's worth. The team needs to accept anyone below a certain age isn't in the team's future and they need to move them for futures with the goal of being ready to seriously compete once Suter and Parise are off the books. They had a good run, but this team isn't winning anything without SERIOUS changes.

I use Steve Mason. Grubbauer was getting traded anyway and the package was looking to be a pair of picks. Caps gave up the 2nd pick to move Orpik instead.

Mason was moved with a 25 point FW a 4th and 7th for a fringe player. So Backes, Kuraly, 4th, 7th for Anas. Or would you rather add something of value to build on as you are not going to be competitive during Staals contract?

As a Caps fan, I can say that isn't a fair comparison because the Caps cap situation was worse than Boston's that year. They absolutely had to unload Orpik. Boston will be fine if they buy Backes out.

Then they can buy him out if they won't pay to get rid of him. MN is already wasting enough cap by overpaying Spurgeon, Parise, Zucc, and Rask. Spending another $4m-$6m in dead cap limits what MN can do with other trades because they will be pushing the cap again.

And what do you imagine they'll do with the cap space next year to make the team better in the long run? Sign another UFA vet who will be too old before the team is ready to compete again?

Use the cap space for a year to take on a problem contract and get something out of it. Taking on Backes for 2 months this year and all of next season does absolutely nothing to set the franchise back. In the scenario above, they have $8m in cap space minus 3 league minimum healthy scratches. Koivu's $5.5m comes off the books this summer. That's more than enough to make a trade if one presents itself.

Signing Kaprizov+Kunin+Greenway+Soucy will be $10m or more. The team has a 3C (JEE) and a couple of bad 4C (Backes/Rask), and no sign/trade for even a low 2C like Haula.

The worst part is you're taking Backes for free. 1st+ for Staal alone would cover the that part of your trade.

They don't need a low 2C. Play the guys they have, sign a cheap reclamation project like Staal was when they got him. The goal is to be bad, I don't think you get that part. We want them drafting in the top 5. Aim to compete in 5 years when Suter and Parise are gone.

It's not taking Backes for free. @Gofnut999 suggested a 1st and 2 prospects so the 1st and 1 prospect is for Staal, the 2nd prospect is for Backes. Maybe they get more, but I highly doubt any team is paying more. Teams aren't parting with assets like they were when Fletcher gave up a package for Hanzal.