You haven't been watching the Leafs lately if you think Ceci is a "placeholder". He's their top defensive RHD. No reason to think Dermot can suddenly adapt to the right side in February. Beside who wants Russell blocking up the cap next year with his 3m.

I would be surprised if either team doesn't accept

Thats a massive overpayment for Desmith who was on waivers this season

Really? They are wasting cash and cap space with Desmith who they waived earlier this season

I would rather Cody Ceci then Russel. Ceci has been playing well and has earned bottom pairing and special teams time. The only way Ceci moves is if its in a deal for say a higher end top pairing guy and his salary needs to move in order to facillitate the trade.

Leafs are a quality D short for next year, hence Russell, who I believe is an upgrade over Ceci. And I believe Russell has played RD before as well.

Ceci has been alright, but the only reason he is the best defensive RD the Leafs have is because he is the ONLY defensive RD they have (no disrespect to Holl).

One thing the Leafs have next year..especially without Russel is cap space to acquire a Dman. Russel is no better than Oilers fourth Dman, but somehow is better than any of the Leafs RHD?

That's a massive overpayment for DeSmith and Russell really adds nothing to Toronto.

Check out this ACGM, it's more realistic and uses some of the same players and gets some of the same in return:

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/302690&post_id=1260290

Lol. That doesn't say much when the other right handed d-men are Barrie and Holl. Who are both known for their offensive skills rather than their defensive game

That's what I meant, PIT would def accept, and as EDM I'd accept as well

You could not be more wrong about Holl. He's played a defensive role all year

Dermott played Rright side in junior, he.ll be fine...

He plays with Muzzin because Muzzin babysits the defensive end so Holl isn't as exposed. If you've watch them this year you'd see Holl's weak defensive game

I have watched them every single game, 13 live, he is decent defensively

He has a babysitter for a reason

He's actually been better than Muzzin 90% of the time but ok.

*sigh*

It's true. I don't think he's a better player but for a good 30-40 games Muzzin has been average om a lot of nights and Holl has had a career year

And you just cant figure why...i dare to bet its not Red Bull.....

I've seen dozens of players be high scorers in the junior and never get a sniff of the NHL. An awful time to try to get Dermot up to NHL speed playing the right side. Besides what is darn special about Russell that anyone thinks he is an improvement over Ceci?

He was only on waivers cause of the two other goalies. He would fill a major need but yeah that is a overpayment, could be pried away for cheaper than that.