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These are my estimated Trade costs of the 13 Top Wingers maybe ava for Pens

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Date de création initiale: jan 27, 2020
Publié: 28 jan à 10 h 37
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PIT
  1. Rakell, Rickard
Détails additionnels:
This is easily the #1 Option for Pens
- He is a Right Handed Guentzel type
- Could play "Kessel" spot on PP
ANA
  1. Addison, Calen
  2. Riikola, Juuso
  3. 2020 1e round pick (PIT)
  4. 2021 3e round pick (PIT)
Détails additionnels:
ANA has a good group of young & prospect Forwards, 3-4 at LHD, & even 2 at Goalie. But ANA does have a hole at RHD.
PIT
  1. Kreider, Chris
NYR
  1. Björkqvist, Kasper
Détails additionnels:
2020 1st Round Pick (PIT)
2021 5th Round Pick (PIT) "Conditional" (of Kreider Re-signing)
PIT
  1. Fiala, Kevin
MIN
  1. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
  2. Galchenyuk, Alex
PIT
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
TOR
    This would only happen in a
    3- Way Trade type Deal where-

    TOR gets a Brodin type LHD
    Pens get Kappy
    MIN get POJ + 2nd Rdr
    PIT
    1. Palmieri, Kyle
    2. Greene, Andy
    NJD
    1. Hållander, Filip
    2. 2021 2e round pick (PIT)
    3. 2020 3e round pick (PIT)
    Détails additionnels:
    4. Galchenyuk, Alex
    PIT
    1. Anderson, Josh
    Détails additionnels:
    Anderson has been injured & scary bad this yr, but still worth a shot.
    CBJ
      1. Galchenyuk, Alex
      2. 2020 3rd Round pick (PIT)
      PIT
      1. Athanasiou, Andreas
      DET
        1. Galchenyuk, Alex
        2. 2021 2nd Round pick (PIT)
        PIT
        1. Labanc, Kevin
        2. 2020 2e round pick (SJS)
        SJS
          1. Galchenyuk, Alex
          2. 2020 1st Round pick (PIT)
          3. Riikola, Jusso
          PIT
          1. Zucker, Jason (1 500 000 $ retained)
          Détails additionnels:
          I like Zucker but a 28 yr old Oft injured winger , w/ 4 yrs @ $5.5 is tough to take on. If this deal happens - MIN must retain $$
          MIN
            1. Galchenyuk, Alex
            2. 2021 2nd Round pick (PIT)
            3. 2020 3rd Round pick (PIT)
            PIT
            1. Tatar, Tomas (800 000 $ retained)
            2. Hudon, Charles
            MTL
              1. Galchenyuk, Alex
              2. 2020 3rd Round pick (PIT)
              3. 2021 2nd Round pick (PIT)
              PIT
              1. Granlund, Mikael
              Détails additionnels:
              * This could be the best & cheapest option for Pens ???
              - Granlund was always a good player, battles hard, analytics are still decent, but just hasn't worked in NSH?
              NSH
                1. Galchenyuk, Alex
                PIT
                1. Virtanen, Jake
                2. Baertschi, Sven
                Détails additionnels:
                - Maybe Baertschi comes here, plays decent ?
                Or we could...
                - Re-move him in off-season
                - keep him & bury in WBS
                - Buy him out for $1.5 cap hit next yr & $800, the next yr
                VAN
                  1. Galchenyuk, Alex ($2.45m Retained or 50%)
                  2. 2021 3rd Round pick - "Conditional" of Not buying out Baertschi
                  PIT
                  1. Toffoli, Tyler
                  2. 2020 7e round pick (LAK)
                  LAK
                    1. Galchenyuk, Alex
                    2. 2020 3rd Round pick (PIT)
                    Enfoui
                    • Casey DeSmith: 175 000 $ (1 250 000 $)
                    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
                    2020
                    SJS
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    LAK
                    2021
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    ANA
                    2022
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    PIT
                    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
                    3781 500 000 $126 487 735 $132 500 $3 700 000 $-44 987 735 $
                    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
                    NYR
                    Kreider, Chris
                    4 625 000 $
                    AG
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Malkin, Evgeni
                    9 500 000 $
                    C
                    NMC
                    UFA - 3
                    ANA
                    Rakell, Rickard
                    3 789 444 $
                    C, AD, AG
                    UFA - 3
                    MIN
                    Fiala, Kevin
                    3 000 000 $
                    AG
                    RFA - 2
                    PIT
                    Crosby, Sidney
                    8 700 000 $
                    C
                    NMC
                    UFA - 6
                    TOR
                    Kapanen, Kasperi
                    3 200 000 $
                    AD
                    RFA - 3
                    NSH
                    Granlund, Mikael
                    5 750 000 $
                    C, AD
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Bjugstad, Nick
                    4 100 000 $
                    C, AD
                    UFA - 2
                    CBJ
                    Anderson, Josh
                    1 850 000 $
                    AD
                    RFA - 1
                    DET
                    Athanasiou, Andreas
                    3 000 000 $
                    C, AG, AD
                    RFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Blueger, Teddy
                    750 000 $
                    C, AG
                    RFA - 2
                    NJD
                    Palmieri, Kyle
                    4 650 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    NTC
                    UFA - 2
                    MTL
                    Tatar, Tomas
                    4 000 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    UFA - 2
                    SJS
                    Labanc, Kevin
                    1 000 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    RFA - 1
                    MIN
                    Zucker, Jason
                    4 000 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 4
                    VAN
                    Virtanen, Jake
                    1 250 000 $
                    AD
                    RFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Guentzel, Jake
                    6 000 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    UFA - 5
                    LAK
                    Toffoli, Tyler
                    4 600 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    McCann, Jared
                    1 250 000 $
                    AG, C
                    RFA - 1
                    MTL
                    Hudon, Charles
                    800 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    RFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Aston-Reese, Zach
                    1 000 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    RFA - 2
                    PIT
                    Hörnqvist, Patric
                    5 300 000 $
                    AD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 4
                    PIT
                    Kahun, Dominik
                    925 000 $
                    AG, AD, C
                    RFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Tanev, Brandon
                    3 500 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    NTC
                    UFA - 6
                    VAN
                    Baertschi, Sven
                    3 366 666 $
                    AG
                    UFA - 2
                    PIT
                    Rust, Bryan
                    3 500 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    UFA - 3
                    PIT
                    Simon, Dominik
                    750 000 $
                    AD, AG
                    RFA - 1
                    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
                    PIT
                    Dumoulin, Brian
                    4 100 000 $
                    DG
                    UFA - 4
                    PIT
                    Letang, Kris
                    7 250 000 $
                    DD
                    NMC NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    PIT
                    Murray, Matt
                    3 750 000 $
                    G
                    RFA - 1
                    NJD
                    Greene, Andy
                    5 000 000 $
                    DG
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Schultz, Justin
                    5 500 000 $
                    DD
                    NTC
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Jarry, Tristan
                    675 000 $
                    G
                    RFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Pettersson, Marcus
                    874 125 $
                    DG
                    UFA - 1
                    PIT
                    Marino, John
                    925 000 $
                    D
                    RFA - 2
                    PIT
                    Johnson, Jack
                    3 250 000 $
                    DG
                    UFA - 4
                    PIT
                    Ruhwedel, Chad
                    700 000 $
                    DD
                    UFA - 2

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                    28 jan à 10 h 40
                    #1
                    HadesOfSocal
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                    Could Pittsburgh add a winger for his spot? Or is that already a lot
                    28 jan à 10 h 48
                    #2
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                    Can't speak for the others but MTL need a 1st coming back for Tatar, especially if retaining cap. This offer is at most equivalent to two 2nds and a 3rd which isn't enough. Galchenyuk just isn't interesting for them given his history there and pending UFA status.

                    Also no, flipping him at the deadline is not a great idea and would be a hassle which would likely not get great value.
                    28 jan à 10 h 52
                    #3
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                    Kudos on the effort, but you can pretty much take Galchenyuk out of any trade that would include a top 6 forward returning or a rental. He doesn't have that type of value as a struggling UFA. Tatar and Zucker conversations start with a 1st. Top 6 scoring wingers with term always start there.
                    Kreider isn't worth that much to me, I don't think a middle 6 scoring winger that is a true rental is worth a 1st. I know the rangers want a 1st, but I dont think they get one.
                    San Jose is in cap hell. If they trade Labanc it will be for a 1st and a blue chip prospect. The penguins don't have a prospect like that to make San Jose listen.
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                    28 jan à 10 h 54
                    #4
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                    Kind of feel the guy with the most points of all players on this board is being sold for pennies on the dollar here....... if that's what your willing to pay then I can almost guarantee Tatar won't be a Pen.
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                    28 jan à 11 h 01
                    #5
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                    Quoting: brgh4life
                    Kudos on the effort, but you can pretty much take Galchenyuk out of any trade that would include a top 6 forward returning or a rental. He doesn't have that type of value as a struggling UFA. Tatar and Zucker conversations start with a 1st. Top 6 scoring wingers with term always start there.
                    Kreider isn't worth that much to me, I don't think a middle 6 scoring winger that is a true rental is worth a 1st. I know the rangers want a 1st, but I dont think they get one.
                    San Jose is in cap hell. If they trade Labanc it will be for a 1st and a blue chip prospect. The penguins don't have a prospect like that to make San Jose listen.


                    Thats what everyone said about Brassard too and look what we got back for him + a cpl picks.
                    - I mite agree w/ Tatar, maybe i did value him a lil low , but a 28yr old oft injured winger & small winger (like all Pens wingers) in Zucker w/ a bloated cap hit, that only hit 30 goals once in 9 yr NHL career, & only avg's .50 PPG in NHL, and coming off a broken leg ?? Is worth a 1st Rdr??
                    28 jan à 11 h 01
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                    Quoting: F50marco
                    Kind of feel the guy with the most points of all players on this board is being sold for pennies on the dollar here....... if that's what your willing to pay then I can almost guarantee Tatar won't be a Pen.


                    I agree, I did value Tatar too low
                    28 jan à 11 h 22
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                    Quoting: Sidstick87
                    Thats what everyone said about Brassard too and look what we got back for him + a cpl picks.
                    - I mite agree w/ Tatar, maybe i did value him a lil low , but a 28yr old oft injured winger & small winger (like all Pens wingers) in Zucker w/ a bloated cap hit, that only hit 30 goals once in 9 yr NHL career, & only avg's .50 PPG in NHL, and coming off a broken leg ?? Is worth a 1st Rdr??


                    Top 6 wingers with term on their contracts are moved for 1st rounders. Not sure his contract is bloated. Over the last 3 full seasons combined the only Penguins players with more 5v5 goals than Zucker is Crosby and Jake. His 5v5 point production during that time was exactly the same as Matt Duchene, David Krejci, and Nikolaj Ehlers. He produces and is worth a 1st.
                    28 jan à 11 h 30
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                    Preds aren't going to trade Granlund straight up for a worse UFA.
                    28 jan à 11 h 42
                    #9
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                    That’s a terrible Labanc deal. Make it a first and a prospect and cut out the second we give. We can also take back Galchenyuk for free
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                    28 jan à 12 h 28
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                    Columbus declines. If we are to trade Anderson it’ll be for picks or a younger player with control who’s also slumping, not a pending UFA who will just leave at the end of the season.
                    29 jan à 10 h 20
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                    Quoting: brgh4life
                    Top 6 wingers with term on their contracts are moved for 1st rounders. Not sure his contract is bloated. Over the last 3 full seasons combined the only Penguins players with more 5v5 goals than Zucker is Crosby and Jake. His 5v5 point production during that time was exactly the same as Matt Duchene, David Krejci, and Nikolaj Ehlers. He produces and is worth a 1st.


                    There are only so many players "worth" a 1st Rdr or 1st Rdr Plus & Zucker just isn't one of those
                    29 jan à 10 h 21
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                    Quoting: papishark
                    That’s a terrible Labanc deal. Make it a first and a prospect and cut out the second we give. We can also take back Galchenyuk for free


                    I prob agree... didnt think that one thru, lol
                    29 jan à 10 h 27
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                    Quoting: Ajp_18
                    Columbus declines. If we are to trade Anderson it’ll be for picks or a younger player with control who’s also slumping, not a pending UFA who will just leave at the end of the season.


                    Just figured 2 extremely bad players rite now that need a change & maybe Chucky does good there & yinz can re-sign him on the cheap?
                    29 jan à 10 h 28
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                    Quoting: gmgb
                    Preds aren't going to trade Granlund straight up for a worse UFA.


                    I think they are both not working out for both teams.
                    29 jan à 10 h 43
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                    Quoting: Sidstick87
                    Just figured 2 extremely bad players rite now that need a change & maybe Chucky does good there & yinz can re-sign him on the cheap?


                    When does chucky go from needing a change to just not that good of a player? hes on his 3rd team in 3 years. i think its at this point his value plummets. Anderson is having a brutal year, most of that is injury related absolutely zero chance a trade for anderson happens where the main return is chucky.
                    29 jan à 12 h 05
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                    Quoting: Sidstick87
                    There are only so many players "worth" a 1st Rdr or 1st Rdr Plus & Zucker just isn't one of those


                    Over the last 3 seasons combined -
                    Zucker - 68 goals, 66 assists, 65 penalties drawn, and 123 takeaways/80 giveaways
                    Kreider - 61 goals, 60 assists, 34 penalties drawn, and 66 takeaways/133 giveaways

                    One if these guys has term left on their contract, the other is a rental, but your 1st round value is on the wrong guy.
                    29 jan à 12 h 09
                    #17
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                    I’d go for a cheap rental winger because I don’t want to give up a 1st or overpay for a guy who won’t succeed here like a lot of players (ex: Brassard)
                    29 jan à 14 h 11
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                    Quoting: Sidstick87
                    I think they are both not working out for both teams.


                    Yeah, but NSH isn't headed to the playoffs, and could get some value for Granlund in picks/prospects. Galchenyuk doesn't make sense for them.
                    30 jan à 8 h 22
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                    Quoting: brgh4life
                    Over the last 3 seasons combined -
                    Zucker - 68 goals, 66 assists, 65 penalties drawn, and 123 takeaways/80 giveaways
                    Kreider - 61 goals, 60 assists, 34 penalties drawn, and 66 takeaways/133 giveaways

                    One if these guys has term left on their contract, the other is a rental, but your 1st round value is on the wrong guy.


                    And Kreider missed almost a whole season bc of blood clots too during that time, Plus Kreider brings so much more than a bloated cap hit... He would bring a physical element to this small forward group, he is faster than Zucker, he is a better net front guy on PP, Kreider is basically a bigger, faster Kunitz ... and that worked out well w/ Sid
                    30 jan à 9 h 54
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                    Quoting: Sidstick87
                    And Kreider missed almost a whole season bc of blood clots too during that time, Plus Kreider brings so much more than a bloated cap hit... He would bring a physical element to this small forward group, he is faster than Zucker, he is a better net front guy on PP, Kreider is basically a bigger, faster Kunitz ... and that worked out well w/ Sid


                    In the same time span -
                    Zucker - G/60 1.19, A/60 1.16
                    Kreider G/1.17, A/60 1.15
                    Bloated cap hit? Top six forwards make over 5 million. That's how it works. You think Kreider isn't going to get 6 or more on his next deal? The only thing bloated is going to be the asking price for a rental from a division rival. Use your assets to get something with term.
                    31 jan à 10 h 31
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                    Quoting: brgh4life
                    In the same time span -
                    Zucker - G/60 1.19, A/60 1.16
                    Kreider G/1.17, A/60 1.15
                    Bloated cap hit? Top six forwards make over 5 million. That's how it works. You think Kreider isn't going to get 6 or more on his next deal? The only thing bloated is going to be the asking price for a rental from a division rival. Use your assets to get something with term.


                    This yr, Zucker is regressing big and heading down and Kreider still strong - YES a bloated $5.5

                    Rates - Kreider - Zucker
                    CF/60 - 68.61 - 55.32
                    FF/60 - 51.53 - 41.93
                    SF/60 - 37.13 - 30.31
                    GF/60 - 4.45 - 3.72
                    GA/60 - 2.61 - 3.16
                    SCF/60- 34.16 - 25.2
                    HDCF/60- 14.12 - 11.53
                    HDGF/60- 2.61 - 1.67
                    MDCF/60- 26.73 - 18.22
                     
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