So no, you do not understand that they have no relation. Good to know.

So a small sample size is a great way to determine how good a player is?

You have missed the point so hard it is actually funny. Have a good day, there is nothing left to garner from this conversation.

*Ahem*
He IS roughly at his ceiling.

2)May I ask where 27-year-old Justin Holl, who you claim is comparable, lies on that aging curve? Oof that contract is looking bad then.

1)I would also point out that a few issues with aging curves like this is that every player has a different aging curve (Evolving Wild makes this very clear). Also it can vary by position. Better players start playing at earlier ages, which skews the math.

Yeah its:
Muzz-Holl
Mo-Barrie
Dermott-Ceci

toi is not a good indicator, usage is. Also our injuries have been messing with the toi's this year



You are really making a big deal out of a small number of games man. Congrats, your guy has played 1.5 solid seasons. That isn't exactly enough to make definitive claims any more than Holl's record is.



That is exactly what my comment said he is. A 4-5. We just agreed yet you think that makes me an idiot?



Then you say **** like this.... good god man. You spin **** and accuse others explaining reality of spinning. Take you head out of your ass, you seem to be enjoying the smell.



1) situations are different, but they are comparable players
2)Andersson is massively overrated on this site. Look at his contract thread I said he hadn't earned what he got either.
3) Dermott hasn't been extended so we don't have a comparable for him yet, but I see far more upside in Dermott than in Peterson and to even compare them really shows that you have no clue what you are talking about.
4)Nothing you have said here comes remotely close to an actual, logical argument. Not once in your entire rant have you once even flirted with a rational thought, but you still say others are stupid.
Something-something Dunning Kruger.

1)So even with a magnitude of injuries his TOI is still low? Weird.. Also, 2) TOI is a pretty good indicator, I mean I don't think it's far fetched to say the more time you're on the ice, the bigger role you have...? Can someone else confirm that I'm not crazy?

I abstained from voting because I think the contract is pretty average but I have no idea wtf Pittsburgh is going to have to do to get rid of Jack Johnson and re-sign Schultz.

I honestly can't believe there's this much arguing over MP. He's an established NHL defenseman at 23. The Pens wanted him at $3,500,000 last offseason but didnt have the space, and his new contract plus the QA he signed last off-season gives him exactly that amount. It's a good signing for a young guy who's only going to get better barring injury.

1)No, he was first pair with Dermott. The TOI has been weird because they've had to specialise each Dmans usage to spread around the load.
2)TOI is one of the biggest things that analytics have disproven as a tool for judging Dmen. Just because a guy gets played a lot doesn't mean he is good. Likewise smaller toi doesn't mean they are bad etc.

Your homer glasses are blinding you man. He is overpaid. He should be making 1mil less at least, and that is ignoring the fact that he is just an average defender.

They're not re-signing Schultz. He's having a once again injury prone and disappointing year. He has 8 points as an offensive defenseman.

Damn didn't realize he has fallen off that much. I take back my comment, then.

No, I'm calling you a homer because you are ignoring valid arguments and comparisons.

*Ahem*
He IS roughly at his ceiling.




You do understand that being a shut down Dman has nothing to do with how long you've been in the league right?

Is this gonna be DeAngelo deal too?

Great contract! Locking up a steady top 4D for 5 years at 4m throughout his prime? Love it

As an Anaheim guy, I have two comments:

How's that Pettersson-for-Sprong trade look now?

So Pettersson will now be making what Josh Manson makes. Which one would YOU rather have? (This comment directed primarily to those who think this is an overpay.)

It's just some homer leafs fan stirring up trouble and a bunch of pens falling for the trap.

Average Time On Ice:

1. Kris Letang
2. Brian Dumoulin
3. John Marino
4. Justin Schultz
5. Jack Johnson
6. Marc Pettersson

Probably not because he has a stronger arbitration case due to putting up a lot of points, even though he leaves a lot to be desired defensively.