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3 way TOR CGY

Créé par: Shibbal18
Date de création initiale: jan 27, 2020
Publié: Jan 28 at 12:44 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Sabres de Buffalo
Explications
caveat being a Brodie extension?
Transactions
BUF
  1. Bennett, Sam
  2. Brodie, TJ (1 000 000 $ retained)
CGY
  1. Montour, Brandon
BUF
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
  1. Brodie, TJ
BUF
    CGY
    1. Engvall, Pierre
    BUF
    1. 2020 3e round pick (MIN)
    NSH
    1. Rodrigues, Evan
    BUF
    1. Hunt, Dryden
    2. 2020 4e round pick (FLA)
    FLA
    1. Bogosian, Zach (2 571 423 $ retained)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
    • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
    • Ville Leino: 0 $
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    • Zach Bogosian: 2 571 423 $ (197,8%)
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    2020
    BUF
    BUF
    MIN
    BUF
    FLA
    BUF
    BUF
    DAL
    2021
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
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    2381 500 000 $76 243 090 $0 $3 832 500 $5 256 910 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    767 500 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 7
    TOR
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    3 200 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    9 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    BUF
    Johansson, Marcus
    4 500 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Reinhart, Sam
    3 650 000 $
    AD, C
    RFA - 1
    CGY
    Bennett, Sam
    2 550 000 $
    AD, C, AG
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Lazar, Curtis
    700 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Frolík, Michael
    4 300 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Vesey, Jimmy
    2 275 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Larsson, Johan
    1 550 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    6 000 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    2 850 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Ristolainen, Rasmus
    5 400 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    1 325 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Hutton, Carter
    2 750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Pilut, Lawrence
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Miller, Colin
    3 875 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    1 600 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Hunwick, Matt
    2 250 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Sheary, Conor
    3 000 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Sobotka, Vladimír
    3 500 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Nelson, Casey
    812 500 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Thompson, Tage
    925 000 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 1

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    28 jan à 1 h 00
    #1
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    Trading Engvall is a non-starter. Interesting interview I listened to on a local radio station in which they discussed the Kadri trade he nixed that would have sent Brodie to Toronto. Apparently Brodie did not want to leave Calgary and would have used his modified NTC to block the trade to the Leafs.

    So even if Kadri had been okay going to Calgary, Brodie was not okay leaving even though he's from Chatham, Ontario.
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    28 jan à 1 h 03
    #2
    get off my lawn...
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    I am a leafs fan and a Flames fan. The last great thing Kadri did for this team was to kibosh a trade that would send us brodie. We are certainly not sending engvall and kapanen out for Brodie. The fact that we are on his very short ntc list really puts a nail in this coffin.
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    28 jan à 1 h 04
    #3
    get off my lawn...
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    Quoting: oneX
    Trading Engvall is a non-starter. Interesting interview I listened to on a local radio station in which they discussed the Kadri trade he nixed that would have sent Brodie to Toronto. Apparently Brodie did not want to leave Calgary and would have used his modified NTC to block the trade to the Leafs.

    So even if Kadri had been okay going to Calgary, Brodie was not okay leaving even though he's from Chatham, Ontario.

    Actually leafs were added to that list later. Kadri saved dubas’ ass. Jankowski and Brodie would have been a disaster.
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    28 jan à 1 h 04
    #4
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    Quoting: oneX
    Trading Engvall is a non-starter. Interesting interview I listened to on a local radio station in which they discussed the Kadri trade he nixed that would have sent Brodie to Toronto. Apparently Brodie did not want to leave Calgary and would have used his modified NTC to block the trade to the Leafs.

    So even if Kadri had been okay going to Calgary, Brodie was not okay leaving even though he's from Chatham, Ontario.


    good to know on both accounts, If not Engvall i was going to put Moore or Timashov, Engvall just had the bigger cap hit. Weird Brodie would nix rthat but maybe its different with Calgary in a completely different spot this year and with only a few months left on his contract
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    28 jan à 1 h 51
    #5
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    So to clarify:
    TOR
    Gets: Brodie (1M retained and extended)
    Gives: Kapanen, Engvall

    BUF
    Gets: Kapanen, Bennett
    Gives: Montour

    CGY
    Gets: Montour, Engvall
    Gives: Brodie (retaining 1M, and with an extension)
    *Brodie waives to go to TOR

    So in terms of value per player:
    - Brodie (retained and extended)
    - Montour
    - Kapanen
    - Bennett
    - Engvall

    Value overall is decent (best for Buffalo IMO) but both Flames and Leafs decline. Leafs dont need a Brodie type player the need more of a Hamonic (stay at home defense). Flames arent going to trade out Brodie without getting a top 6 RHW in return also Flames management will never retain on a contract.
    28 jan à 7 h 19
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    So to clarify:
    TOR
    Gets: Brodie (1M retained and extended)
    Gives: Kapanen, Engvall

    BUF
    Gets: Kapanen, Bennett
    Gives: Montour

    CGY
    Gets: Montour, Engvall
    Gives: Brodie (retaining 1M, and with an extension)
    *Brodie waives to go to TOR

    So in terms of value per player:
    - Brodie (retained and extended)
    - Montour
    - Kapanen
    - Bennett
    - Engvall

    Value overall is decent (best for Buffalo IMO) but both Flames and Leafs decline. Leafs dont need a Brodie type player the need more of a Hamonic (stay at home defense). Flames arent going to trade out Brodie without getting a top 6 RHW in return also Flames management will never retain on a contract.


    Retain on Brodies contract? Hes UFA at the end of the year
    28 jan à 7 h 54
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Retain on Brodies contract? Hes UFA at the end of the year


    Look through Flames trade history regardless of UFA or multiple years they never retain on contracts. It's like an unspoken law of the owners not to pay for anyone that isn't going to play for them. It was a miracle that they were willing to even buy out Stone this summer but then they went and signed him again so it didnt matter anyways
    28 jan à 7 h 58
    #8
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    What a terrible trade for the Leafs. Two young NHL regulars for a OK Dman on an expiring contract. The difference Brodie and any Leaf Dman isn't worth even one of Engvall or Kapanen. And more crazy talk about extensions. If necessary the Leafs will. wait till the summer.
    Of the three teams , Calgary makes out like bandits
    28 jan à 8 h 26
    #9
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    Is the only point of the 3 way trade to avoid dealing with the Leafs directly as Buffalo?
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    28 jan à 8 h 46
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    Is the only point of the 3 way trade to avoid dealing with the Leafs directly as Buffalo?


    Yes
    28 jan à 8 h 54
    #11
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    Quoting: palhal
    What a terrible trade for the Leafs. Two young NHL regulars for a OK Dman on an expiring contract. The difference Brodie and any Leaf Dman isn't worth even one of Engvall or Kapanen. And more crazy talk about extensions. If necessary the Leafs will. wait till the summer.
    Of the three teams , Calgary makes out like bandits


    Sorry Engvall looks like a bottom 6 player to me and Toronto has stated Kapanen is available for a RHD. Dont know what your expecting for a guy with 10 goals
    28 jan à 10 h 10
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Yes


    I can see the Leafs entertaining a Kap and Engvall for Montour, I really don't see both the Leafs and flames getting involved to give Buffalo the best value in the trade
    28 jan à 10 h 25
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    I can see the Leafs entertaining a Kap and Engvall for Montour, I really don't see both the Leafs and flames getting involved to give Buffalo the best value in the trade

    I have 0 interest in Engvall and less interest in giving Toronto Montour
    28 jan à 10 h 33
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Sorry Engvall looks like a bottom 6 player to me and Toronto has stated Kapanen is available for a RHD. Dont know what your expecting for a guy with 10 goals


    The same thing you are expecting which is why you are trying to obtain him. You are expecting a top 6 forward with upside.
    28 jan à 11 h 42
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    The same thing you are expecting which is why you are trying to obtain him. You are expecting a top 6 forward with upside.


    Im not expecting a return on a guy with 10 goals. Im also not trying to obtain him, he has just been made available by Toronto and Im trying to be creative. I can live without Kapanen
    28 jan à 11 h 47
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Im not expecting a return on a guy with 10 goals. Im also not trying to obtain him, he has just been made available by Toronto and Im trying to be creative. I can live without Kapanen


    Weird, I just scrolled up and unless I am mistaken, you have Kapanen as your 1RW. Yeah you clearly don't think much of him at all. Come one my friend, at least try have a reasonable conversation.
    28 jan à 12 h 08
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    Weird, I just scrolled up and unless I am mistaken, you have Kapanen as your 1RW. Yeah you clearly don't think much of him at all. Come one my friend, at least try have a reasonable conversation.


    Yeah im going to bury a guy after trading for him instead of putting him with the franchise so our other decent player can carry the second line. Just cause im not super interested in him doesnt mean im not logical
    28 jan à 12 h 18
    #18
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Sorry Engvall looks like a bottom 6 player to me and Toronto has stated Kapanen is available for a RHD. Dont know what your expecting for a guy with 10 goals


    It's the phoney extension clause that kills any deal. Calgary in a playoff race doesn't ask a player to extend. Who does Brodie replace on the Leafs that make the Leafs THATY much better on defence, when two NHL regulars are traded?
    Now you're making stuff up. "Toronto has stated Kapanen is available for a RHD." Certainly Leaf management doesn't release that information....although it might be true.
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    28 jan à 12 h 28
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Yeah im going to bury a guy after trading for him instead of putting him with the franchise so our other decent player can carry the second line. Just cause im not super interested in him doesnt mean im not logical


    Hollow words.

    Player A is not worth very much, so I will offer a underwhelming return because he isn't very good and I don't think highly of him. Proceeds to put him on the top line because of course you would.

    Crap like this can't be taken seriously. It makes everything you say just silly. It would be one thing to offer a poor return and then put him lower in your lineup, but to do this. You clearly see Kapanen as a potential terrific linemate for Eichel but want to pay pennies on the dollar to get him because that is a clear cut win for you. For all the "Leaf fans are so stupid" nonsense on this site, this right here is the perfect example of the typical homer nonsense that makes is difficult to have any sort of conversation on here.
    28 jan à 12 h 36
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    Hollow words.

    Player A is not worth very much, so I will offer a underwhelming return because he isn't very good and I don't think highly of him. Proceeds to put him on the top line because of course you would.

    Crap like this can't be taken seriously. It makes everything you say just silly. It would be one thing to offer a poor return and then put him lower in your lineup, but to do this. You clearly see Kapanen as a potential terrific linemate for Eichel but want to pay pennies on the dollar to get him because that is a clear cut win for you. For all the "Leaf fans are so stupid" nonsense on this site, this right here is the perfect example of the typical homer nonsense that makes is difficult to have any sort of conversation on here.


    Montour is underwhelming. Ok buddy. I said i can live without him, not that he isnt expected to be a top 6 forward. You trying to get BTFOd again
    28 jan à 12 h 38
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    Quoting: palhal
    It's the phoney extension clause that kills any deal. Calgary in a playoff race doesn't ask a player to extend. Who does Brodie replace on the Leafs that make the Leafs THATY much better on defence, when two NHL regulars are traded?
    Now you're making stuff up. "Toronto has stated Kapanen is available for a RHD." Certainly Leaf management doesn't release that information....although it might be true.

    David Pagnotta said it yesterday
    28 jan à 13 h 03
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Montour is underwhelming. Ok buddy. I said i can live without him, not that he isnt expected to be a top 6 forward. You trying to get BTFOd again


    Can you refresh my memory for a second? Where is Montour going? Oh nevermind I remember, not to Toronto.

    Kapanen is worth more than a rental of Brodie. Hell he may be more valuable than Brodie with term. So what exactly are you arguing now?
    28 jan à 13 h 11
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    Can you refresh my memory for a second? Where is Montour going? Oh nevermind I remember, not to Toronto.

    Kapanen is worth more than a rental of Brodie. Hell he may be more valuable than Brodie with term. So what exactly are you arguing now?


    Im not arguing anything, you are, cause youre still butthurt. Its childish and annoying.
    28 jan à 13 h 17
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Im not arguing anything, you are, cause youre still butthurt. Its childish and annoying.


    Sure lets talk about what makes one childish.

    You post a trade that isn't at all good for TO, but gives you what you clearly hope is a #1 RW that can score a tonne of goals thanks to Eichel's playmaking ability (which is tremendous I'd like to add). Makes sense, its a good plan. You do so in a way that doesn't benefit the Leafs at all since all they get is a pending UFA who isn't at all what they need right now. It also costs them Engval.

    When presented with an argument that the trade is bad for the team in question, you say, I don't value these players that I traded for, despite putting Kap right on the top line. All of that is obviously suspect and misleading. When presented with that, you start calling names.

    So to translate all of this, you are annoyed because people didn't agree with your BS trade and defense of said trade so you call them childish. When you parents take away your Xbox time, do you call them childish as well?
    28 jan à 13 h 33
    #25
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    Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
    Sure lets talk about what makes one childish.

    You post a trade that isn't at all good for TO, but gives you what you clearly hope is a #1 RW that can score a tonne of goals thanks to Eichel's playmaking ability (which is tremendous I'd like to add). Makes sense, its a good plan. You do so in a way that doesn't benefit the Leafs at all since all they get is a pending UFA who isn't at all what they need right now. It also costs them Engval.

    When presented with an argument that the trade is bad for the team in question, you say, I don't value these players that I traded for, despite putting Kap right on the top line. All of that is obviously suspect and misleading. When presented with that, you start calling names.

    So to translate all of this, you are annoyed because people didn't agree with your BS trade and defense of said trade so you call them childish. When you parents take away your Xbox time, do you call them childish as well?


    I literally agreed with everyone who said that nor did i defend it. All i said was meh I can live without Kapanen. Thats why youre childish. Eichel can turn anyone into a 30 goal scorer even Kapanen. Thats why we put him there, its logic. Also im more offended you think i own an Xbox over anything that youve insinuated or said
     
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