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Massive offer for Cirelli

Date de création initiale: jan 27, 2020
Publié: Jan 27 at 9:13 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo
Explications
Roast me.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Montour, Brandon45 000 000 $
Pilut, Lawrence21 500 000 $
Olofsson, Victor55 200 000 $
Reinhart, Sam67 250 000 $
Ullmark, Linus22 000 000 $
Lazar, Curtis11 000 000 $
Cirelli, Anthony66 250 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Larsson, Johan42 500 000 $
Sheary, Conor34 000 000 $
Transactions
BUF
  1. 2020 1e round pick (VGK)
  2. 2021 2e round pick (NJD)
  3. 2020 3e round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
Détails additionnels:
Trade from 2020 TDL
BUF
  1. Cirelli, Anthony [Droits de RFA]
TBL
  1. Borgen, William
  2. 2020 1e round pick (VGK)
  3. 2021 2e round pick (NJD)
  4. 2020 2e round pick (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Rights to Casey Mittelstadt
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BUF
VGK
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2083 000 000 $78 086 667 $0 $3 487 500 $4 913 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
5 200 000 $
AG, AD
RFA
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
7 250 000 $
AD, C
RFA
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
Cirelli, Anthony
6 250 000 $
C
RFA
BUF
Sheary, Conor
4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA
BUF
Ruotsalainen, Arttu
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
4 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Asplund, Rasmus
845 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
1 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA
BUF
Larsson, Johan
2 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
2 000 000 $
G
RFA
BUF
Pilut, Lawrence
1 500 000 $
DG
RFA
BUF
Montour, Brandon
5 000 000 $
DD
RFA
BUF
Hutton, Carter
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
BUF
McCabe, Jake
2 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
3 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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27 jan à 21 h 15
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The only thing you're even remotely close on in this entire post is that you're gonna get roasted. Good luck.
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27 jan à 21 h 21
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Honestly you'd be better off with just offer sheeting him when summer comes.
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27 jan à 21 h 22
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BiscuitBakesHotTaeks
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
The only thing you're even remotely close on in this entire post is that you're gonna get roasted. Good luck.


Curious what you’re valuation on Cirelli is
27 jan à 21 h 22
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Vegas does not have cap room
27 jan à 21 h 28
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#DisruptTheNight
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lol what the actual ****
27 jan à 21 h 30
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Quoting: Swagmaster
Vegas does not have cap room


Original trade had Eakin and Holden going back to even the cap
27 jan à 21 h 32
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BiscuitBakesHotTaeks
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Quoting: Hedman77
lol what the actual ****


See I just don’t understand this. Is this not a better off than any offer sheet that AC might receive? There is a wilderness of NTC/NMC that TB is going to have to figure out this year unlike last year.
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27 jan à 21 h 38
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Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
Curious what you’re valuation on Cirelli is


My valuation? I'm more curious about yours and why. Any player that's getting traded for essentially 2 1st round picks, a mid round pick, a very good young d-man prospect and a good young NHL ready forward better be a franchise changing type player. Cirelli is not that by any stretch

Edit: plus there is NO way you're essentially getting 2 1st round picks and a 3rd for Ristolainen. He's very overrated. Stats and eye tests prove that
27 jan à 21 h 42
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Modifié 27 jan à 21 h 49
Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
Curious what you’re valuation on Cirelli is


I actually didnt see you added Casey Mittelstadt to the deal as well.

The tweak I would make is, I dont think you need two seconds in the deal, especially if you're including Mittelstadt, but if you're tampa bay, you need Buffalo's first, not Vegas. If Buffalo misses the playoffs of course. If I am vegas however, I think id be more interested in reacquiring Colin Miller at a lesser cost, who you know can produce for you as opposed to Ristolainen for more. I also think thats too much for Ristolainen with NJD's first. Probably a first and maybe a third plus a prospect. Vegas still has a lot of assets from the expansion draft, i probably would try to acquire a cheaper asset than Ristolainen although a need may be there. I don't think Ristolainen makes them a Stanley Cup contender this year though.... I probably would look at a lower cost guy like a Brendan Dillion or Marco Scandella

Cirelli is already one of the best two way forwards in the game. I think it's a fair offer, but If I am Tampa, I am keeping Cirelli at all costs...I would try to move another contract before him given his age
27 jan à 21 h 49
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DickFoligno
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
My valuation? I'm more curious about yours and why. Any player that's getting traded for essentially 2 1st round picks, a mid round pick, a very good young d-man prospect and a good young NHL ready forward better be a franchise changing type player. Cirelli is not that by any stretch

Edit: plus there is NO way you're essentially getting 2 1st round picks and a 3rd for Ristolainen. He's very overrated. Stats and eye tests prove that


Cirelli at age 22 is TB's second leading goal scorer and top penalty killing forward and a centerman. He may not be worth all that, but his value is incredibly high and not someone TB should be moving IMO. A first, a top prospect, and more is probably a fair offer given his age, contract, twoway ability and position. But Tampa probably rejects every offer unless they are really blown away, and maybe they are with the above offer, but I still doubt they move him. They need good cheap young players, and to move out money if they do trade someone
27 jan à 21 h 50
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The evil stats guy
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
My valuation? I'm more curious about yours and why. Any player that's getting traded for essentially 2 1st round picks, a mid round pick, a very good young d-man prospect and a good young NHL ready forward better be a franchise changing type player. Cirelli is not that by any stretch

Edit: plus there is NO way you're essentially getting 2 1st round picks and a 3rd for Ristolainen. He's very overrated. Stats and eye tests prove that


I mean, Cirelli should be one of the front runners to win the Selke this year so assuming his offense fully develops (and the fact he is 22 tells me there is a good chance) then you have exactly what you described.

I'd offer mango and 2 firsts from Toronto for perspective, and that's with massive os AND cap leverage against Tampa.
27 jan à 22 h 07
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Honestly you'd be better off with just offer sheeting him when summer comes.


The cool part of not having a 3rd rd pick is the Sabres would have to offer the max compensation, 4 1st rd picks, in an offer sheet....
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27 jan à 22 h 19
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Not a burger anymore
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Quoting: Nick623
The cool part of not having a 3rd rd pick is the Sabres would have to offer the max compensation, 4 1st rd picks, in an offer sheet....


Fair point.

How about acquiring that 3rd back lol.
27 jan à 23 h 05
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Fair point.

How about acquiring that 3rd back lol.


They are not maxing him , LOL
28 jan à 7 h 35
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
My valuation? I'm more curious about yours and why. Any player that's getting traded for essentially 2 1st round picks, a mid round pick, a very good young d-man prospect and a good young NHL ready forward better be a franchise changing type player. Cirelli is not that by any stretch

Edit: plus there is NO way you're essentially getting 2 1st round picks and a 3rd for Ristolainen. He's very overrated. Stats and eye tests prove that


Where are you seeing 2 first round picks? The NJD 2nd rounder pick is in 2021. Used the Travis Hamonic trade as a barometer.

Regardless that’s Not really a massive point. I’d probably be fine with getting Vegas 1st round and just a 2nd or whatever.

That being said I knew the sticking point would be Buffalo or Vegas’ 1st rounder. It all depends on where they land. Say BUF lands around 10:
I’d be willing to trade 10, Mittelstadt and a later pick (5round or later). That’s more than fair.
28 jan à 7 h 43
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Tampa isn't dealing Cirelli, Get used to it.
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28 jan à 7 h 45
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Tampa isn't dealing Cirelli, Get used to it.


Then somebody should absolutely offer sheet him. They can’t afford him at 6-6.5M
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28 jan à 7 h 57
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Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
Then somebody should absolutely offer sheet him. They can’t afford him at 6-6.5M


Wouldn't be shocked if both Segachev and Cirelli aren't offer sheet material.
28 jan à 10 h 32
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Quoting: BiscuitBakesandHotTaeks
Where are you seeing 2 first round picks? The NJD 2nd rounder pick is in 2021. Used the Travis Hamonic trade as a barometer.

Regardless that’s Not really a massive point. I’d probably be fine with getting Vegas 1st round and just a 2nd or whatever.

That being said I knew the sticking point would be Buffalo or Vegas’ 1st rounder. It all depends on where they land. Say BUF lands around 10:
I’d be willing to trade 10, Mittelstadt and a later pick (5round or later). That’s more than fair.


New Jersey isn't going to be good again next year so their 2nd round pick will be within the first 5 picks of the second round, which is essentially another 1st round pick which is what I said.

As good as Cirelli has been, it's really only been this season and parts of last season. That's not long enough to justify giving up so much for him when he plays with such good players. Look at the compensation for what he's likely to sign for. He'll sign likely around the $5M AAV point, that only compensates a 1st and 3rd round pick.. and you're willing to give up 5 assets for that? That's insane.
 
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