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Buffalo-Detroit Minny Edm deals

Créé par: DickFoligno
Date de création initiale: jan 27, 2020
Publié: Jan 27 at 1:01 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Sabres de Buffalo
Explications
Goals:

Center capable player
Free up a defensive log jam
Bigger more physical, defensive responsible players
Grit
Transactions
BUF
  1. Athanasiou, Andreas
  2. Nielsen, Frans (1 800 000 $ retained)
  3. 2020 6e round pick (DET)
Détails additionnels:
Nielsen has two more years after this year. Interest in Nielsen as a third line C/ penalty killer, a player who has played for Kreuger before with team Europe, but salary would need to be retained.

And if it helps get AA who could fill 2C by committee with Johansson
DET
  1. Nelson, Casey
  2. Miller, Colin
  3. Sobotka, Vladimír
  4. 2020 2e round pick (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Miller should have a bigger role in Detroit and Casey Nelson could finally get a legit NHL shot
BUF
  1. Khaira, Jujhar
  2. 2020 3e round pick (EDM)
  3. 2021 6e round pick (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Buffalo acquires another physical player for the bottom six and penalty killer.
EDM
  1. Sheary, Conor
  2. Rodrigues, Evan
Détails additionnels:
Edmonton acquires top 9 scoring help at a more modest. Cost
BUF
  1. Foligno, Marcus
Détails additionnels:
Physical grinder and penalty killer the team could use back in their lineup
MIN
  1. Vesey, Jimmy
  2. Smith, C.J.
  3. 2020 4e round pick (BUF)
Rachats de contrats
  • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
  • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
  • Ville Leino: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BUF
EDM
BUF
DET
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
EDM
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2581 500 000 $80 564 524 $0 $3 832 500 $935 476 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
767 500 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 7
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
9 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
DET
Athanasiou, Andreas
3 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 1
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
3 650 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
4 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
DET
Nielsen, Frans
3 450 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
BUF
Frolík, Michael
4 300 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
1 200 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
BUF
Larsson, Johan
1 550 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
700 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
1 600 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
6 000 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 4
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
BUF
McCabe, Jake
2 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
1 325 000 $
G
RFA - 1
BUF
Montour, Brandon
3 387 500 $
DD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
5 400 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
BUF
Hutton, Carter
2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
BUF
Pilut, Lawrence
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
BUF
Hunwick, Matt
2 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
5 142 857 $
DD
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
1 300 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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27 jan à 13 h 06
#1
Shibbal18
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Way too much for AA. Id love Foligno, but i doubt Minnesota gives him up
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27 jan à 13 h 14
#2
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Way too much for AA. Id love Foligno, but i doubt Minnesota gives him up


What you mean is way too little for AA....
27 jan à 13 h 15
#3
Buffbry
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I would do this as a wings fan to dump Fran's. Especially getting buffalo 2nd this year helps, I approve as a wings fan
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27 jan à 13 h 16
#4
Démarrer sujet
DickFoligno
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Quoting: redw1n9s
What you mean is way too little for AA....


Quoting: Shibbal18
Way too much for AA. Id love Foligno, but i doubt Minnesota gives him up


Maybe, but he would be such a great fit here. I can’t help but think Detroit and Buffalo are natural partners here with their need for organizational picks and defensive help....

I think it depends on how Miller is valued and right now, he doesn’t have a lot....but he has term and he could have a bigger role in Detroit that he’s not getting here again he’s still relatively young

I do think the best player in the deal is AA and unfortunately there’s not a lot of center capable players on the market right now and that should help Detroit, plus he’s young versatile and fast

But I think he’s worth a second and good prospect regardless, maybe a late first
27 jan à 14 h 02
#5
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DET probably doesn't accept this, but I think there is organizational alignment between the 2 clubs. Nelson really has no value as a 27yr old UFA at the end of the season, and Miller would probably be the 3rd best RHD in the organization (behind Hronek and Seider), he may be in the Bowey range org wise (Bowey is 3 years younger, and ~2.8mm cheaper). VGK definitely sold pretty high on Miller, he was never known to have that scoring pace. Finally, with DET trying to clean house, he wouldn't really fit the model.

You could probably do something like this though:

BUF receives AA, Nielsen (50% retained), 2021 3rd round pick (lowest pick DET possesses)
DET receives Casey Mittelstadt, UPL, 2021 2nd round pick (lowest pick BUF possesses)
27 jan à 14 h 41
#6
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Quoting: TMarch
DET probably doesn't accept this, but I think there is organizational alignment between the 2 clubs. Nelson really has no value as a 27yr old UFA at the end of the season, and Miller would probably be the 3rd best RHD in the organization (behind Hronek and Seider), he may be in the Bowey range org wise (Bowey is 3 years younger, and ~2.8mm cheaper). VGK definitely sold pretty high on Miller, he was never known to have that scoring pace. Finally, with DET trying to clean house, he wouldn't really fit the model.

You could probably do something like this though:


BUF receives AA, Nielsen (50% retained), 2021 3rd round pick (lowest pick DET possesses)
DET receives Casey Mittelstadt, UPL, 2021 2nd round pick (lowest pick BUF possesses)



My god that counter offer is atrocious.
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27 jan à 14 h 46
#7
redw1n9s
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Quoting: TMarch
DET probably doesn't accept this, but I think there is organizational alignment between the 2 clubs. Nelson really has no value as a 27yr old UFA at the end of the season, and Miller would probably be the 3rd best RHD in the organization (behind Hronek and Seider), he may be in the Bowey range org wise (Bowey is 3 years younger, and ~2.8mm cheaper). VGK definitely sold pretty high on Miller, he was never known to have that scoring pace. Finally, with DET trying to clean house, he wouldn't really fit the model.

You could probably do something like this though:

BUF receives AA, Nielsen (50% retained), 2021 3rd round pick (lowest pick DET possesses)
DET receives Casey Mittelstadt, UPL, 2021 2nd round pick (lowest pick BUF possesses)


That works way better. Miller has no value for DET. He leaves as a UFA in 2 years and the rest of those guys are throw-aways. Mittlestadt and a 2nd rounder is way more in the ballpark, but still not what DET needs. It's pretty darn obvious what DET is looking for with AA and it's amazing how many people are not aware of that with these AA trades.
27 jan à 15 h 17
#8
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
What you mean is way too little for AA....


Anything more than a 2nd is far to much for a 3rd liner
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27 jan à 15 h 21
#9
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Anything more than a 2nd is far to much for a 3rd liner


Ahhhh, another clueless poster...what's new.
27 jan à 15 h 22
#10
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Ristoeichel
Maybe, but he would be such a great fit here. I can’t help but think Detroit and Buffalo are natural partners here with their need for organizational picks and defensive help....

I think it depends on how Miller is valued and right now, he doesn’t have a lot....but he has term and he could have a bigger role in Detroit that he’s not getting here again he’s still relatively young

I do think the best player in the deal is AA and unfortunately there’s not a lot of center capable players on the market right now and that should help Detroit, plus he’s young versatile and fast

But I think he’s worth a second and good prospect regardless, maybe a late first


AA is a 15-20 G scorer, 40 point player. He had an inflated year. Hes not worth selling the farm for. Miller and Nelson or the 2nd
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27 jan à 15 h 22
#11
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Ahhhh, another clueless poster...what's new.


Ahhhh another homer who things teams are going to dump riches on his team for a mediocre player
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27 jan à 15 h 23
#12
Shibbal18
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Quoting: TMarch
DET probably doesn't accept this, but I think there is organizational alignment between the 2 clubs. Nelson really has no value as a 27yr old UFA at the end of the season, and Miller would probably be the 3rd best RHD in the organization (behind Hronek and Seider), he may be in the Bowey range org wise (Bowey is 3 years younger, and ~2.8mm cheaper). VGK definitely sold pretty high on Miller, he was never known to have that scoring pace. Finally, with DET trying to clean house, he wouldn't really fit the model.

You could probably do something like this though:

BUF receives AA, Nielsen (50% retained), 2021 3rd round pick (lowest pick DET possesses)
DET receives Casey Mittelstadt, UPL, 2021 2nd round pick (lowest pick BUF possesses)


Thats horrendous for Buffalo
27 jan à 15 h 30
#13
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Ahhhh another homer who things teams are going to dump riches on his team for a mediocre player


lol sell the farm....it's obvious your player evaluations are way off. Move on.
27 jan à 15 h 55
#14
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol sell the farm....it's obvious your player evaluations are way off. Move on.

Yeah no reason to over pay for a 3rd liner because he had an above average shooting% 1 year but when he drops back to the median is a 15-20 goal scorer
27 jan à 15 h 58
#15
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Yeah no reason to over pay for a 3rd liner because he had an above average shooting% 1 year but when he drops back to the median is a 15-20 goal scorer


It's hard to comment and sound knowledgeable if you only watch one team....I get it. If you need my NHL account I can provide.

Or maybe just watching mediocre (at best) Sabres hockey your entire life has muddled your viewpoints....idk
27 jan à 16 h 17
#16
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
It's hard to comment and sound knowledgeable if you only watch one team....I get it. If you need my NHL account I can provide.

Or maybe just watching mediocre (at best) Sabres hockey your entire life has muddled your viewpoints....idk


you have provided nothing other than name calling. You do realize your team is historically one of the worst the NHL has seen
27 jan à 16 h 46
#17
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
you have provided nothing other than name calling. You do realize your team is historically one of the worst the NHL has seen


Yes my team is having a bad few years after dominating the NHL for 20+...the point here is you should start watching more hockey and actually learn about the players and the teams they play for before commenting on such value...all you're able to reference is point totals and +/- because you have no real frame of reference. Trust me no GM in the league is calling Yzerman and offering up a 3rd round pick for AA.
27 jan à 16 h 54
#18
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
Yes my team is having a bad few years after dominating the NHL for 20+...the point here is you should start watching more hockey and actually learn about the players and the teams they play for before commenting on such value...all you're able to reference is point totals and +/- because you have no real frame of reference. Trust me no GM in the league is calling Yzerman and offering up a 3rd round pick for AA.


I already have referenced more stats in this conversation than those 2 and I didn't even reference +/- in any capacity (which is consistently terrible, thanks for bringing it up), nor did I say he's getting traded for a 3rd round pick. Maybe you shouldn't skip English class to argue hockey on the internet. Wait till you get home and spend your good boy points for an extra hour on the computer and do it then
27 jan à 17 h 11
#19
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I already have referenced more stats in this conversation than those 2 and I didn't even reference +/- in any capacity (which is consistently terrible, thanks for bringing it up), nor did I say he's getting traded for a 3rd round pick. Maybe you shouldn't skip English class to argue hockey on the internet. Wait till you get home and spend your good boy points for an extra hour on the computer and do it then


All you referenced was goals and shooting %, both stats that completely lack any team-related context, and then implied that he's worth no more than 2nd rounder....nonsense.

Again, if you need my NHL account I'm happy to help you educate yourself
27 jan à 17 h 32
#20
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
All you referenced was goals and shooting %, both stats that completely lack any team-related context, and then implied that he's worth no more than 2nd rounder....nonsense.

Again, if you need my NHL account I'm happy to help you educate yourself


His teammates are worse with him on the ice. Educate yourself
https://public.tableau.com/shared/FS583RFCX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
27 jan à 17 h 41
#21
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
His teammates are worse with him on the ice. Educate yourself
https://public.tableau.com/shared/FS583RFCX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link


It's just hard to take someone who doesn't watch the team seriously...sorry.
27 jan à 17 h 54
#22
Shibbal18
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Quoting: redw1n9s
It's just hard to take someone who doesn't watch the team seriously...sorry.


pathetic troll job
27 jan à 18 h 00
#23
redw1n9s
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Quoting: Shibbal18
pathetic troll job


The only troll job is coming from the guy commenting on a team and its player, both of which he doesn't watch....sad really.
 
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