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Bored - MIN CHI SJS

Créé par: Caniac555
Date de création initiale: jan 24, 2020
Publié: Jan 25 at 7:52 am
Équipe: 2019-20 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Explications
Conditional picks regarding playoffs, Canes go all in.

Highly unrealistic but I wanted to see what this roster would look like.
Transactions
CAR
  1. Brodin, Jonas
  2. Staal, Eric
Détails additionnels:
Hybrid ‘Hockey Deal’ with futures. Wild get their right shot forward, a center to replace Staal, and depth defenseman. Team can complete this year and get better for future.
MIN
  1. Haula, Erik
  2. Gauthier, Julien
  3. van Riemsdyk, Trevor
  4. 2020 1e round pick (CAR)
  5. 2020 2e round pick (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
Conditional - Wild do not receive both picks.
Receive 1st if Canes make playoffs
Receive 2nd if Canes miss playoffs
CAR
  1. Lehner, Robin (2 500 000 $ retained)
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Niederreiter, Nino
  2. Forsberg, Anton
  3. 2020 1e round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 2e round pick (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
Conditional- Hawks do not receive both picks.
1st if Canes make playoffs, 2nd if they don’t.
CAR
  1. Dillon, Brenden (1 270 000 $ retained)
SJS
  1. Killinen, Lenni [Liste de réserve]
  2. 2020 3e round pick (CAR)
Détails additionnels:
Conditional- 2020 2nd (CAR) if Canes make playoffs, 2020 3rd if they don’t.
Rachats de contrats
  • Patrick Marleau: 6 250 000 $
  • Alexander Semin: 2 333 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Justin Faulk: 683 333 $ (14%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
BUF
CHI
CAR
CAR
TOR
2021
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
STL
2022
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
CAR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $82 022 333 $0 $4 507 500 $-522 333 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
CAR
Svechnikov, Andrei
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
8 454 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 5
CAR
Teräväinen, Teuvo
5 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
CAR
Foegele, Warren
746 667 $
AG
RFA - 1
CAR
Staal, Jordan
6 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 4
CAR
Williams, Justin
700 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
CAR
Dzingel, Ryan
3 375 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
MIN
Staal, Eric
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 2
CAR
Necas, Martin
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
CAR
Martinook, Jordan
2 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
CAR
Wallmark, Lucas
675 000 $
C
RFA - 1
CAR
McGinn, Brock
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
CAR
Slavin, Jaccob
5 300 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
CAR
Pesce, Brett
4 025 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
CHI
Lehner, Robin
2 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
SJS
Dillon, Brenden
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
4 166 667 $
DG
UFA - 2
CAR
Reimer, James
3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 2
CAR
Gardiner, Jake
4 050 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 4
CAR
Edmundson, Joel
3 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
CAR
Mrázek, Petr
3 125 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
CAR
Fleury, Haydn
850 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
5 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 2

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25 jan à 7 h 57
#1
exo2769
Rejoint: jui 2015
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Very interesting trades. The value for the CHI trade is there. (I did read the description). The hardest part about that trade from the CHI point of view is Nino's cap going forward. They're already kinda cap strapped. But I'd do it as a CHI fan and figure it all out later. Nino's an under-rated defensive forward IMO.

Any thoughts about a Lehner Gus combo? I 110% he's not as good as Brodin. Not trying to suggest he can replace Dougie either. Just might be a cheaper option both cap wise $1.2M and asset value wise. Just curious.
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25 jan à 8 h 03
#2
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Hurricane Waddell
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I think the Canes are looking for a more defensive guy along with a little more Grit...hence the Dillon trade. I like Gus, but I don’t think he’s on the Canes radar. The Brodin trade is specifically targeting a top 4 defensive stopper to add flexibility and stability this year and next.

Quoting: exo2769
Very interesting trades. The value for the CHI trade is there. (I did read the description). The hardest part about that trade from the CHI point of view is Nino's cap going forward. They're already kinda cap strapped. But I'd do it as a CHI fan and figure it all out later. Nino's an under-rated defensive forward IMO.

Any thoughts about a Lehner Gus combo? I 110% he's not as good as Brodin. Not trying to suggest he can replace Dougie either. Just might be a cheaper option both cap wise $1.2M and asset value wise. Just curious.
25 jan à 8 h 41
#3
Rejoint: jan 2020
Messages: 387
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This is not the right shot forward the Wild are looking for. And Haula is a rental they won’t trade for him unless there’s an extension involved
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25 jan à 8 h 47
#4
Rejoint: mar 2019
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The Minnesota deal would need some tweaking. Admittedly I'm not overly familiar with Gauthier and what kind of prospect he projects to be, but Minnesota is essentially getting a prospect who might not be a legit NHLer, a late 1st, and 2 expiring contracts for 2 players on great deals Carolina can use for 2 playoff runs. I think the 1st shouldn't be conditional and the 2nd should have some conditions on what Minnesota does with the UFAs (extend or flip for picks).

If Minnesota moves Staal, that's their only point producing center and Guerin is going in a complete rebuild direction so they'd want more to help with that.
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25 jan à 9 h 35
#5
Rejoint: jun 2017
Messages: 4,635
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Wild shouldn't be trading for Haula. If we want him back, just sign him this offseason.

This trade is very heavily in favor of Carolina. Staal should be worth at least a late 1st in a trade, he is on pace for 28 goals and 62 points this season signed to a mere $3.25M cap hit... Yes, he is older, but he only has one year remaining after this season and he hasn't shown any signs of aging. So if you look at it that way, the conditional pick is what the Wild would be trading Staal for (which already is an underpayment) and the Wild are giving up their best defenseman this season for Haula (a rental), Gauthier (likely a career third liner), and a depth defenseman? This won't cut it IMO. If Waddell is as adamant as Canes fans on not giving up Necas, you're probably looking at both 1sts Carolina owns + a good prospect like Bokk + possibly a later conditional pick (such as a 4th) for Brodin and Staal. I don't think people here realize how good Brodin really is. The guy is playing some really phenomenal hockey.
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25 jan à 10 h 48
#6
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Hurricane Waddell
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Get familiar with Gauthier - he doesn’t have a top 6 spot with the Canes, but will be great if you give him one. Ripping up the AHL right now.

Also read the description...you don’t get both picks. Haula produces points, and is a Minnesota kid (kinda). You can extend him for probably less than Staal.

If Staal is the stumbling block in this trade, think you might need to evaluate the situation for the Wild. He’s not critical for the Canes so that could be worked around.

Quoting: JayTea
The Minnesota deal would need some tweaking. Admittedly I'm not overly familiar with Gauthier and what kind of prospect he projects to be, but Minnesota is essentially getting a prospect who might not be a legit NHLer, a late 1st, and 2 expiring contracts for 2 players on great deals Carolina can use for 2 playoff runs. I think the 1st shouldn't be conditional and the 2nd should have some conditions on what Minnesota does with the UFAs (extend or flip for picks).

If Minnesota moves Staal, that's their only point producing center and Guerin is going in a complete rebuild direction so they'd want more to help with that.
25 jan à 10 h 49
#7
#NylanderTruther
Rejoint: fév 2018
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I’m sorry, it’s a hard no on the Chicago trade for me. If Anton F was not included it would be an interesting deal, but thinking about him returning to the organization makes me sick.
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25 jan à 10 h 50
#8
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Hurricane Waddell
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You’re not getting Necas. Don’t let that blind you and miss out on a top 6 right shot power forward who’s producing in the AHL right now and needs a shot at a roster spot.

Quoting: BLIvingston33
This is not the right shot forward the Wild are looking for. And Haula is a rental they won’t trade for him unless there’s an extension involved
25 jan à 10 h 50
#9
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Hurricane Waddell
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Take him out - it’s immaterial to the Canes.

Quoting: Stan_Bowman
I’m sorry, it’s a hard no on the Chicago trade for me. If Anton F was not included it would be an interesting deal, but thinking about him returning to the organization makes me sick.
25 jan à 10 h 51
#10
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Hurricane Waddell
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I know how good he is - that’s why he will be a Cane

Quoting: TanSor
Wild shouldn't be trading for Haula. If we want him back, just sign him this offseason.

This trade is very heavily in favor of Carolina. Staal should be worth at least a late 1st in a trade, he is on pace for 28 goals and 62 points this season signed to a mere $3.25M cap hit... Yes, he is older, but he only has one year remaining after this season and he hasn't shown any signs of aging. So if you look at it that way, the conditional pick is what the Wild would be trading Staal for (which already is an underpayment) and the Wild are giving up their best defenseman this season for Haula (a rental), Gauthier (likely a career third liner), and a depth defenseman? This won't cut it IMO. If Waddell is as adamant as Canes fans on not giving up Necas, you're probably looking at both 1sts Carolina owns + a good prospect like Bokk + possibly a later conditional pick (such as a 4th) for Brodin and Staal. I don't think people here realize how good Brodin really is. The guy is playing some really phenomenal hockey.
25 jan à 12 h 16
#11
Rejoint: jan 2020
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Quoting: Caniac555
You’re not getting Necas. Don’t let that blind you and miss out on a top 6 right shot power forward who’s producing in the AHL right now and needs a shot at a roster spot.


I’d want Bokk, I’d probably take Bokk and a 2nd tbh
25 jan à 12 h 47
#12
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Hurricane Waddell
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Maybe, but Bokk is 2 years away from the AHL, Gauthier is Ready for a NHL spot. If you’re looking for a rebuild on the fly - Gauthier would fit.

Quoting: BLIvingston33
I’d want Bokk, I’d probably take Bokk and a 2nd tbh
 
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