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Would Lou make this trade with Toronto

Créé par: truculence67
Date de création initiale: jan 24, 2020
Publié: Jan 24 at 5:56 pm
Équipe: 2020-21 Islanders de New York
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANNÉESCAP HIT
Sorokin, Ilya1925 000 $
Salo, Robin3800 000 $
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Barzal, Mathew88 500 000 $
Toews, Devon33 500 000 $
Aho, Sebastian2875 000 $
Söderström, Linus2875 000 $
Hutton, Grant1725 000 $
Wotherspoon, Parker2775 000 $
Vande Sompel, Mitch2775 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Haula, Erik23 000 000 $
Transactions
NYI
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. Pulock, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  2. Dal Colle, Michael
NYI
  1. 2020 3e round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Hickey, Thomas
  2. Ho-Sang, Joshua [Droits de RFA]
Rachats de contrats
  • Rick DiPietro: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
NYI
NYI
NYI
OTT
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2021
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2022
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $82 262 365 $0 $1 387 500 $1 237 635 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
NYI
Lee, Anders
7 000 000 $
AG, C
NTC
UFA - 6
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
8 500 000 $
C
RFA
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
NYI
Beauvillier, Anthony
2 100 000 $
AG
RFA - 1
NYI
Nelson, Brock
6 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 5
NYI
Eberle, Jordan
5 500 000 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 4
NYI
Bailey, Josh
5 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
Haula, Erik
3 000 000 $
C, AG
UFA
NYI
Wahlstrom, Oliver
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
NYI
Komarov, Leo
3 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 2
NYI
Cizikas, Casey
3 350 000 $
C
UFA - 1
NYI
Clutterbuck, Cal
3 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NYI
Pelech, Adam
1 600 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
NYI
Dobson, Noah
894 167 $
DD
RFA - 2
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Leddy, Nick
5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
NYI
Mayfield, Scott
1 450 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
NYI
Sorokin, Ilya
925 000 $
G
RFA
NYI
Toews, Devon
3 500 000 $
DG
RFA
NYI
Boychuk, Johnny
6 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
NYI
Aho, Sebastian
875 000 $
D
RFA
NYI
Ladd, Andrew
5 500 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Koivula, Otto
786 666 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
NYI
Bellows, Kieffer
894 166 $
C, AG
RFA - 1

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24 jan à 17 h 58
#1
M. Marincin Truther
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No. Swap nylander for travis Zajac
24 jan à 17 h 58
#2
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sure, Lou would make that trade, but he'd need to have a gun to Dubas' head
24 jan à 18 h 04
#3
Isles777
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No. Pulock is pretty much untouchable
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24 jan à 18 h 32
#4
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
sure, Lou would make that trade, but he'd need to have a gun to Dubas' head


Quoting: Isles777
No. Pulock is pretty much untouchable


Lol so which one is it
24 jan à 18 h 47
#5
Isles777
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Quoting: truculence67
Lol so which one is it


Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment
24 jan à 19 h 04
#6
Wqrrior
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Quoting: Isles777
Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment


drop dal colle (ik nearly valueless) and it is definitely an overpayment. maybe not huge, but the value is on your side (i am not a leafs fan)
24 jan à 19 h 14
#7
Isles777
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Quoting: Wqrrior
drop dal colle (ik nearly valueless) and it is definitely an overpayment. maybe not huge, but the value is on your side (i am not a leafs fan)


It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.
24 jan à 19 h 28
#8
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Quoting: Isles777
It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.


Really? What other scoring wingers of Nylander’s age, caliber, and years left on their contracts are so easily available? Gaudreau is the only one I can think of. The idea that young defensemen are intrinsically more valuable than similarly talented forwards just because of the position they play just isn’t true. That whole notion basically stems from Peter chiarelli being a terrible gm and trading hall for Larsson.
24 jan à 19 h 33
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Wqrrior
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Quoting: Isles777
It’s a lot easier to find scoring wingers than it is top pairing defenseman. This trade does not make the islanders better right now.


Part of why Pulock is doing so good is the coaching of Trotz. Yes, the islanders defensemen are underrated, but I struggle to believe that any of them would be even top 4 defensemen without the system they are under. Pulock also is not an elite top pair defenseman. He can play the role, sure - but you guys have six top 4 defensemen without a true #1 (though pulock is the best of those 6).
24 jan à 20 h 19
#10
Isles777
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Part of why Pulock is doing so good is the coaching of Trotz. Yes, the islanders defensemen are underrated, but I struggle to believe that any of them would be even top 4 defensemen without the system they are under. Pulock also is not an elite top pair defenseman. He can play the role, sure - but you guys have six top 4 defensemen without a true #1 (though pulock is the best of those 6).


"Part of why pulock is doing so good is the coaching of trotz". Yes good coaching is usually crucial to a players success. Just look at barrie under Babcock and then with Keefe.

Pulock is a top pairing defenseman (with or without trotz) . His underlying metrics were strong before he became HC. Last season, pulocks numbers were that of an elite all around #1 defenseman. The Islanders had a 56% expected goal share with him on the ice and a 3.57 expected goals for per 60 rate. That is in a defensive minded system where trotz doesn't mind if opposing teams spend a lot of time in our end as long as the shots are kept to the outside.

Toews, pulock, and pelech would be top 4 dmen on a lot of teams. The notion that these players only produce because of trotz system is insane. Leddy and Boychuk's metrics are still bad. Leddy has gotten worse since trotz became head coach and nothing has changed with boychuk.
24 jan à 20 h 34
#11
Isles777
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Quoting: truculence67
Really? What other scoring wingers of Nylander’s age, caliber, and years left on their contracts are so easily available? Gaudreau is the only one I can think of. The idea that young defensemen are intrinsically more valuable than similarly talented forwards just because of the position they play just isn’t true. That whole notion basically stems from Peter chiarelli being a terrible gm and trading hall for Larsson.


I said "scoring wingers", I did not say elite scoring wingers. The islanders can keep pulock and give a 1st rd pick + B level prospects for young wingers like kase, labanc, Anderson (yes I know he's had a sh*t year), Athanasiou, or even guys in their late 20's with some term like zucker, Tatar, palmieri.
26 jan à 0 h 02
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Quoting: Isles777
Pulock is a 25 year old top pairing Dman who puts up 40 pts in a defensive minded system (only 42% o zone starts). Pulock will become expendable when bode Wilde develops and they can have Noah Dobson and Wilde as the top 4 RHD. That won’t happen for another 2 years. It doesn’t make sense for the islanders to trade pulock right now unless it was a huge overpayment


don't count your chickens before they hatch. i think wilde is better suited in a package deal for a top 6 scorer with a pick right now. or you give him a year or 2 of development than move him out.
27 jan à 11 h 08
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Quoting: truculence67
Lol so which one is it


He’s pretty much untouchable at this point
 
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