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Big Trade with NYR

Créé par: Mong53
Date de création initiale: jan 14, 2020
Publié: Jan 14 at 1:58 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Explications
What does it take? I don't for a second think this is the trade. The ask for Georgive is said to be an NHL ready winger. I believe Johnsson is more than that. So he likely gets Georgive + but what would it take to get DeAngelo in this deal? He seems like he could be squeezed out of the right side in NY with Trouba and Fox likely the long term RHD in the top 4. But I don't know what the Rangers would be asking for in return. What is his ceiling? What is his value?
Transactions
TOR
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
  2. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Ceci, Cody
Détails additionnels:
What else does it take? (Ceci is a cap dump to make it work)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $74 498 810 $0 $867 500 $7 001 190 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Marchment, Mason
767 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
759 167 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
694 444 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
675 000 $
C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
792 500 $
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1

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14 jan à 14 h 01
#1
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This post must be bait! tears of joy
14 jan à 14 h 03
#2
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You need add Nylander
14 jan à 14 h 03
#3
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To Toronto
Georgie, Deangelo

To New York
Johnson, Ceci, 2022 first round pick, Bracco and a 2021 second round pick
14 jan à 14 h 04
#4
Rejoint: déc 2018
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The Johnson return for Georgie is fair.

The deangelo return is wayyyyyy off though, he is on pace to have a ~65 point season. I do not know what the return is exactly but you would think it has to be high. Young RH puck moving defense-man do not grow on trees.

Contract negotiations should be fun....lol
14 jan à 14 h 05
#5
Rejoint: sep 2016
Messages: 549
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Quoting: Root
This post must be bait! tears of joy


Kapanen was drafted the same year as Deangelo and Deangelo has played less games then Kapanen and Deangelo has more points as a Def player. Deangelo is worth more then Kapanen so what do you think Kapanen is worth if Toronto traded him ?? Well add to that cause again Deangelo is worth more.
14 jan à 15 h 30
#6
Tspky
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Johnsson and Ceci isn't enough to get Georgiev let alone ADA
17 jan à 14 h 11
#7
Démarrer sujet
Rejoint: avr 2016
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Quoting: Spanky227
Johnsson and Ceci isn't enough to get Georgiev let alone ADA


I never said it was. I was looking for input on what it would take to make that deal. Read the post, not just the trade that was made. That said. If you think Georgive is worth more that a top 6 winger. You need to put the pipe down. Kid has upside sure. But he is a backup goalie. Who's played 60 games in the nhl. Not getting a top 6 winger for him straight up. Guaranteed.
17 jan à 14 h 13
#8
Dubooty
Rejoint: avr 2019
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Wasnt Deangelo going to be trade bait a month ago? Crazy what a 5 point game will do to your value
17 jan à 16 h 39
#9
Tspky
Rejoint: fév 2016
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Quoting: Mong53
I never said it was. I was looking for input on what it would take to make that deal. Read the post, not just the trade that was made. That said. If you think Georgive is worth more that a top 6 winger. You need to put the pipe down. Kid has upside sure. But he is a backup goalie. Who's played 60 games in the nhl. Not getting a top 6 winger for him straight up. Guaranteed.


Quoting: dubooty
Wasnt Deangelo going to be trade bait a month ago? Crazy what a 5 point game will do to your value


ADA was trade bait only at the beginning of the season. he's turned heads with his 65 point pace and improvement in the defensive zone.

I still am trying to process the fact that you said Georgiev is a backup and Johnsson is a top 6 player in the same sentence.


-Toronto fans keep acting like he's "just a backup"-- if he was 28 or older sure i would get this.. but you are talking about a young goalie who has put up respectable numbers during his age 21-24 seasons (he turns 24 next month). He's ready to start in 50% of games right now (if not more). With andersson only signed for one more season, and the fact he'll be 32 by the time an extension kicks in, trust me you don't want to extend him long term (look at the cap problems lundqvists contract is currently causing). Georgiev is a solid add for toronto and he'll be younger and cheaper than andersson while putting up similar numbers

Georgiev's team has left him out to dry an insane amount of times so there have been a few bad games (i can think of the ottawa, toronto, edmonton, MTL and Tampa games)
The fact is, he's faced 30+ shots in 16 of his 22 games and has a record of 11-4-1 in those games. Of the games he didn't face over 30 shots, 5/6 of them were against playoff teams (and one of them was in relief so 4/5 games started) and his record is 1-4 (he beat the one non playoff team)

Sure, you can say andersson was the better goalie when you gave up a 1st and a 2nd for him.. but...
Here is the defensive core for Anaheim the season prior to anderssons trade (they also were the 6th best team in the league btw): Josh Manson, Sami Vatanen, Cam Fowler, Clayton Stoner, Kevin Bieksa, Hampus Lindholm. They also had three very good defensive centers in Getzlaf, Kesler and Cogliano. Compare that to the rangers team and it's not exactly a fair fight between the current NYR and the 2015-16 ducks.
 
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