What's PIT's cost for Johnson?

tyler? i'd say about the same. more value but brought down because of a worse contract

I believe he means Jack Johnson

Killorn's and Palat's M NTC means they can pick the teams that want to go and that want them. Let's say Killorn agrees to Pittsburg, heck Tampa might have to give a sweetener.
What is Palat's motivitiation to move to Hawks?

if tampa somehow misses the playoffs certain players will make rash decisions

Killorn's and Palat's M NTC means they can pick the teams that want to go and that want them. Let's say Killorn agrees to Pittsburg, heck Tampa might have to give a sweetener.
What is Palat's motivitiation to move to Hawks?

None. Just an angry Tampa fan wanting changes that aren't so easy.

None. Just an angry Tampa fan wanting changes that aren't so easy.

The entire point of this site is creating hypothetical situations to see what is possible. I appreciate you assuming that I am a Bolts fan when I am not, but am interested in how they can get out of this. If you have a better solution, go ahead and state it. It is quite obvious that cap has to go out, and there are four players with NTCs that that cap has to come from. No ways around that unless they shaft one of the RFAs to a dirt cheap contract.
How about reasoning with people rather than making baseless assumptions?

The entire point of this site is creating hypothetical situations to see what is possible. I appreciate you assuming that I am a Bolts fan when I am not, but am interested in how they can get out of this. If you have a better solution, go ahead and state it. It is quite obvious that cap has to go out, and there are four players with NTCs that that cap has to come from. No ways around that unless they shaft one of the RFAs to a dirt cheap contract.
How about reasoning with people rather than making baseless assumptions?

I've said for months, I think the Tampa cap situation if going to very interesting next summer and how they are going to be cap compliant by October.
But I've also said, I don't think the four players they might really want to dispose of....Johnson, Palat, Killorn, and Gourde are really hard contracts to get rid. Not only for the NTC or M NTCs, it's because most teams don't have the cap to make a trade without sending similar cap back to Tampa, which kinda defeats the purpose of trading them.
Your Killorn to Pittsburg....well that might be an attractive to go for the those NTCs. But some bottom feeders that have cap space are likely on the "I'm not going to" list.

Tampa might be force to sign some of their RFAs who they like to lock up long term (as you did) to only short term inexpensive deals. Players may not like it for security reasons, Tampa won't like it cause the players might cost more long term. and it gets them closer to UFA status if they decide to sign short term to get to UFA in the shortest time period.
Right now that my only Tampa option. Keeping all those NTC and even M NTCs and signing those RFAs who are coming off their ELC as cheaply on short term contracts as possible.

I know it will be hard. However there's not really an alternative route. Somebody MUST go. Killorn is the most logical because his contract becomes a modified trade clause next year - still, that cap alone is unlikely to create the necessary room.
Really the only options remaining are to hope Cirelli and/or Sergachev sign significantly cheaper than market value. As in under 2M cheap. A Labanc deal might be a possibility for Cirelli, but Sergachev doesn't go that cheap at all. And still, negotiating something like that is almost impossible.
No matter how it's seen, the only way to create cap is to move out the money that is taking it up. I can't see how between four players there wouldn't be ANY possible trade possibilities. Players like having ice time, player chemistry and location more than salary and warm weather in certain scenarios.
That's what I'm trying to do here... find a realistic trade that works for both teams AND the player. It's hard, but not impossible. Tampa will have to find that sweet spot as well, otherwise their future is in jeopardy.
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Killorn's and Palat's M NTC means they can pick the teams that want to go and that want them. Let's say Killorn agrees to Pittsburg, heck Tampa might have to give a sweetener.
What is Palat's motivitiation to move to Hawks?

LMAO what are you talking about? Are you one of those that was also saying that if Tampa wanted to get rid of JT Miller they would have to pay a sweetener? Nonsense.

1) Palat won't have a MNTC
2) Killorn will have a 16 teams trade list and his value is good. Was already decent before this season as he's one of the best PKers of the team and is known to step his game up for the playoffs.
And now he's having a career year as he's getting top six minutes, showing he can be a top six wing in this league.
You are out of your mind if you think that Tampa would have to sweeten the deal to trade away a winger that can play all situations and is likely to get a career year of around 55 points this season. For how the market is trending, 4.45M for the next 3 years will be seen as a great cost controlled contract. And Tampa will get a great return when they sell him.

Well, I don't think I'm out of my mind at all. You mention Killorn who might be easiest player to move because of the 16 team list and his contract/play/value. It is easy for Killorn to list 16 relatively good teams that are cap strapped also. Then those teams likely have to do a move of their own to create cap space, against moving out cap without taking cap back in return. So Tampa is so dependent on finding a team with cap, who wants a LW, has cap or can trade for cap. Now the new scenario that we saw last summer/fall, teams are having trouble their own RFAs. So it' not like teams kinda know their cap space available in June or July, it may be dragged out till training camp. Just saying Tampa is going to limited trading partners early in the summer which will drag the price down.

s out there: having a NTC clause on your contract doesn't mean you are safe. Most players that get asked to waive their NTC ultimately do, because they prefer to go to a team where they know they are wanted and not stay with a team that is willing to move on from them

Some players do waive their NTC because they are going to a better situation, I'll agree with that. Killorn and the others, if they don't want move for the all advantages of Tampa, they aren't going to make it easy for Tampa to move them. The cap problem, it's the teams problem not the individual player. Don't expect the players to fall on a sword for the good of the Tampa franchise.

Killorn is really easy to trade, and we will get good value for him... almost all other teams would take him with happy face... even for early round picks...
The hard part is : TJ/Gourde - both FULL NTC - TJ get a lot of other marketing responsibilites - so it will be interesting to see if he says: okay, i'll just waive, just get me out of here...
I really can't see him staying(cap problems), so in that case we might have to take back a bad contract, but if we can bury that contract --> trade it away for cheap--> ultimately--> solution = perfect for us... we get back the value from UFA market: see Maroon/Shatty signing - or Labanc deal for RFA's. It's possible, you just need to be a really good GM. So far our gm proved he is pretty good. So we'll see...

So the other guy Gourde - he just makes too much money - he is not what we needed for cupwins ---> super hard to do anything. That player will be the most interesting to watch, what happens with him. IMO he just can't stay for 1 million reasons... waive or no waive... (buyout/sent down to AHL/contract termination), again there are multiple probabilites to do SOMETHING, so eventually he is out from tampa... the method doesn't really matter, only the end result...
other solution --> trade away other players, like Sergachev for maximum value(1st round pick + decent caphit solid young player etc...) or like Coburn or others...

Palat:Coach's favorite for 8 years..., he is locked to stay... having a decent year as well... believe me.. he stays.... i said this when every tampa fan thought he is the worst player ever in the universe... nothing changed... coach favourite = until cooper has a job = palat = safe. Simple as that... See Pittsburgh + Kessel . Coach wanted him out. Bye-bye Kessel.. however good player he was...

So do you understand now how it works? Or you still stucked with Killorn + sweetener, in that case i have nothing more to say to you, except i will quote your Killorn + sweetener comment after the trade happens in 2020 june-sept...
IMO we should keep Killorn at all costs --> he is just amazing this year... and i always liked him... + good advanced stats all the time...

My solution:Johnson/Gourde out---- and solve the rest with what we have... -->in those cases i'm fine with giving up value with them taking back much more team friendly contracts(buyout friendly/re-tradable again etc...)... although in my mind they will be good players for a lot of teams... so i would except return for them as well. ( can be anything small-medium value- like a B-C prospect - 2nd round pick or less).

Last note: You will be surprised how good he is(our GM) next september... so just wait and watch every move he makes... he traded away Callahan almost for free!!!
Looks like you can't see the wood for the trees...

Gee, I know how the cap works.. I'm not sure how you know how a M NTC works. Let's assume Killorn...the most tradable of the M NTCs doesn't want to leave Tampa. He can list his teams that he could be traded to are teams with cap problems. So those teams have to juggle their cap, because Tampa doesn't want any cap in returned,
Now I like the this post, Pittsburg may one team that it workable. 80% of the these Tampa traded are to lousy teams with cap.....just the teams that the the M NTCs will block.

What's so special about trading Callahan. His season long LTIR was announced before the trade. Any knowledgeable fan should know LTIRs, especially in the summer do not affect the cap at all. Sorry you don't.
Gee the Leafs spend to the cap with "active" players and still have 10.5m in LTIR during the summer. Didn't affect their cap at all. Seems like you can't see the woods for the tree just because I disagree with "ease" of trading M NTCs.

What's so special about trading Callahan.