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Créé par: bryanrowley
Date de création initiale: déc 17, 2019
Publié: Dec 17, 2019 at 9:42 am
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Gauthier, Frédérik11 750 000 $
Dermott, Travis22 000 000 $
UFAANNÉESCAP HIT
Ceci, Cody13 250 000 $
Muzzin, Jake36 000 000 $
Holl, Justin22 750 000 $
Toffoli, Tyler34 750 000 $
Transactions
TOR
  1. Murray, Ryan
  2. Jenner, Boone
  3. 2022 2e round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2085 000 000 $84 496 366 $0 $0 $503 634 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Toffoli, Tyler
4 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA
CBJ
Jenner, Boone
3 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
1 750 000 $
C
RFA
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Murray, Ryan
4 600 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 750 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Woll, Joseph
800 000 $
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
2 000 000 $
DG
RFA
TOR
Ceci, Cody
3 250 000 $
DD
UFA

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How then should the leafs address the fact that they lack depth on both offends and defense compared to the teams who are actually winning?
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17 déc 2019 à 9 h 44
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Biased Opinion
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Quick question for you. How do you stay warm during the winter? Is there a stove under your bridge?
Big_Euge a aimé ceci.
17 déc 2019 à 9 h 44
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RangerWall92
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Why though
17 déc 2019 à 9 h 50
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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If you want Marner, start with Jones and vise versa.
17 déc 2019 à 9 h 56
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Quoting: Barbs
Quick question for you. How do you stay warm during the winter? Is there a stove under your bridge?


Please, have a look at the poll
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 09
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Quoting: bryanrowley
Please, have a look at the poll


Well if I want players that can win hockey games I wouldn't be calling Columbus right now lol
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 10
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Quoting: bryanrowley
Please, have a look at the poll


The Leafs don't lack depth, they had a bad system and are starting to roll and the teams ahead of them should be concerned about that. A team with as much talent as TO who struggled due to a terrible system and injuries is not something that should be taken lightly. You're poll is just a troll looking for attention.
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 15
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
The Leafs don't lack depth, they had a bad system and are starting to roll and the teams ahead of them should be concerned about that. A team with as much talent as TO who struggled due to a terrible system and injuries is not something that should be taken lightly. You're poll is just a troll looking for attention.


By system are you referring to Babcock?
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 19
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Quoting: Barbs
Well if I want players that can win hockey games I wouldn't be calling Columbus right now lol


That is true
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 30
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Quoting: bryanrowley
By system are you referring to Babcock?


That is correct.
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 48
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
That is correct.


Bad system implies that Babcock was bad; he’s not a bad coach he’s a demonstrated winner at most of the levels of hockey he has coached in. I do agree that his system was not conducive to the Leafs’ success with the team they have now, but he’s not bad
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 48
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rickdabeaut
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I like the idea of getting two players that can play for one. Front loading 4 forwards has really helped us out eh leafs nation?
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 52
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Murray and Jenner are 26 years old, and really are kind just average players, yea they had moments of goodness. Marner though his cap hit is too high is very good player now and still has room to grow. Liljegren is expected to be a cost efficient and good Leaf for years...starting next year. Certainly the trade doesn't help the Leafs this year and hurts them big time in the future.

It's really a dumb poll. No team including the Leafs should expect to resign their UFAs. Leafs do have cap space next year even after signing their RFAs. In they do need more cap to address an need, let's say on defence, they can trade a good forward with cap. Certainly wouldn't be trading 11m Marner for 8.3m the meh Jenner and Murray. Just because the CBJ have wasted their cap space and draft picks, other teams shouldn't be helping them out.
17 déc 2019 à 10 h 53
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Quoting: bryanrowley
Bad system implies that Babcock was bad; he’s not a bad coach he’s a demonstrated winner at most of the levels of hockey he has coached in. I do agree that his system was not conducive to the Leafs’ success with the team they have now, but he’s not bad


I think he did what many successful people do, he became ruled by his ego and refused to bend to any new ideas. He was stagnant and his motivational style just doesn't work anymore. No one wants to be berated, it just doesn't motivate people. I respect Babs for what he's done in his career but if you don't evolve you die and he refused to evolve. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him next. Does he get another job and try to do the same stuff he did in TO, thinking that it was the players and GM's fault and not his? Or will he actually make changes to what he does and evolves?
17 déc 2019 à 11 h 28
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Quoting: palhal
Murray and Jenner are 26 years old, and really are kind just average players, yea they had moments of goodness. Marner though his cap hit is too high is very good player now and still has room to grow. Liljegren is expected to be a cost efficient and good Leaf for years...starting next year. Certainly the trade doesn't help the Leafs this year and hurts them big time in the future.

It's really a dumb poll. No team including the Leafs should expect to resign their UFAs. Leafs do have cap space next year even after signing their RFAs. In they do need more cap to address an need, let's say on defence, they can trade a good forward with cap. Certainly wouldn't be trading 11m Marner for 8.3m the meh Jenner and Murray. Just because the CBJ have wasted their cap space and draft picks, other teams shouldn't be helping them out.


What about Marner to Anaheim for Hampus Lindholm and perhaps some other change? It would be great if they could get Rakell also (low salary and proven goal scorer)
17 déc 2019 à 11 h 32
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Quoting: rickdabeaut
I like the idea of getting two players that can play for one. Front loading 4 forwards has really helped us out eh leafs nation?


81 million for a salary cap + 33 mil tied up to 3 players is a tough situation - that’s 40% of the cap to 15% of the roster...tough times
17 déc 2019 à 13 h 57
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Quoting: rickdabeaut
I like the idea of getting two players that can play for one. Front loading 4 forwards has really helped us out eh leafs nation?


We'll say how paying the big four and overpaying them by 5m affects this Leafs long term. This is just the first year of those big contracts

Though I kinda agree with your suggestion of two players for one. They should good players. You can't really say Boone and Murray are difference makers at 8.3m. Gee, they are overpaid.
I won't trade Liljegren for those two Columbus players. Murray is a UFA the Leafs have lots of cheaper forwards as good a Boone. Liljegren has hope and hopefully lots of cheap term and a Leaf.

How has the "alleged" good defence and goaltending worked out for CBJ over the years? Bobvorsky in net, Jones, Werenski, Savard, Murray on defence. One playoff round win since inception. Even after trading the never seen the playoff Nash for Dubinsky. Seven years, 4 playoff appearances Seems like it has been organization for years that can't manage personnel or the cap wisely.
18 déc 2019 à 15 h 22
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Quoting: palhal
We'll say how paying the big four and overpaying them by 5m affects this Leafs long term. This is just the first year of those big contracts

Though I kinda agree with your suggestion of two players for one. They should good players. You can't really say Boone and Murray are difference makers at 8.3m. Gee, they are overpaid.
I won't trade Liljegren for those two Columbus players. Murray is a UFA the Leafs have lots of cheaper forwards as good a Boone. Liljegren has hope and hopefully lots of cheap term and a Leaf.

How has the "alleged" good defence and goaltending worked out for CBJ over the years? Bobvorsky in net, Jones, Werenski, Savard, Murray on defence. One playoff round win since inception. Even after trading the never seen the playoff Nash for Dubinsky. Seven years, 4 playoff appearances Seems like it has been organization for years that can't manage personnel or the cap wisely.


If you Dubas current GM and future prime minister of Canada, what two players would you try to acquire for one of the big 4? I suggested Lindholm and Rakkell in an earlier thread - what do you think? Are there other options you feel may place the Leafs in a better situation?
18 déc 2019 à 16 h 15
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Quoting: bryanrowley
If you Dubas current GM and future prime minister of Canada, what two players would you try to acquire for one of the big 4? I suggested Lindholm and Rakkell in an earlier thread - what do you think? Are there other options you feel may place the Leafs in a better situation?


My opinion on the Leafs this year is they aren't good enough. No amount of trades can make them better this year Due to the overpayment of the RFA, they weren't able to retain the competent Hainsey and Gardiner. And while I don't mind ridding themselves of Zaitsev long term, Ceci isn't as good as Zaitsev this year.
Next year they will have some cap flexibility and maybe during the summer they will have trade some forward cap for defence man cap.
I wouldn't trade the big three. Nylander I don't think he great value at 7m (though many Leaf fans disagree), so maybe he's still a piece that stays. I'm thinking secondary players like Kapanen or Johnsson might be traded. They would bring cap relief and their spots could filled by other Leafs wingers...The Leaf seem to have abundance of potential good wingers and still cheap. Use that cap space difference to boast the defence...and maybe a second goalie. For cap reasons the Leafs will be depending on Liljegren and Sandin to make the team next year. Along with Reilly, Dermot and maybe UFA Holl...that's five. Finding two competent mid priced Dmen is the puzzle.
 
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