TDL Trimming the fat but getting assets Pun intended VGK NYI NYR CAR FLA COL

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Créé par: Jco5ta5

Équipe: 2019-20 Blackhawks de Chicago

Date de création initiale: 10 déc. 2019

Publié: 10 déc. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Gus for 1st: straight forward. He can be the Dman for Schmidt and will provide a good offensive punch. VGK looks to be a high teens draft pick.

Kampf for Bellows: a lot of NYI fans trading him. He’s had a slow start to the season and may develop further next year. Kampf can be their 3/4 C they need.

Crow + Sikura for Newhook: maybe value isn’t the best for COL but keeping 50% of Crow’s salary who has won two SC and was a part of the 2010 team as well (practice squad) he’s proven he can be a playoff winner is a sweetener. Sikura is a good offensive depth prospect who can play in the NHL right now. Hawks get Newhook who will hopefully develop well in next few years.

Lehner for Mrazek and 1st: Hawks get a pick and goalie to be starter in front of Lankinen for next two years. Hawks aren’t a contender next year so having Mrazek is fine while Delia or Lankinen develop or they get another goalie (see below). Hawks also get a 1st to help fill the system. Carolina gets a top goalie in the league for half price for their run.

Wedin + 2nd for Kravtsov: Kravtsov is in the VHL, basically the AHL of Russia. He is not NHL ready and will be a project but has a high ceiling. Wedin is NHL ready and has good speed. He can be a good player for NYR this year and the future and his next contract can be cheap. 2nd round pick there to sweeten the deal.

Saad + Gravel for Knight: reunite Saad with Q and he can easily help Florida’s run this year. FLA has Bob for 7 years. His contract is awful and immoveable. Knight will be ready for NHL in 2-4 years and keeping him behind Bob is not good for FLA. This gives the Hawks their goalie of the future. I’m giving them Gravel who is turning his season around in the Q and looks to be developing nicely. He is at least 2 years from being an NHL backup to Bob.

Please let me know in comments what you think of these moves and how to tweak them.

**EDIT** ok so the COL, FLA and NYR trades are horribly valued. Please don’t consider them.

Transactions

CHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (VGK)

CHI

Newhook, Alex [Liste de réserve]

COL

Crawford, Corey (3 000 000 $ retained)
Sikura, Dylan

CHI

Mrázek, Petr
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)

CAR

Lehner, Robin (2 500 000 $ retained)

CHI

Kravtsov, Vitali

NYR

Wedin, Anton
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CHI)

CHI

Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (WPG)

WPG

Määttä, Olli

CHI

Knight, Spencer [Liste de réserve]

FLA

Gravel, Alexis [Liste de réserve]
Saad, Brandon (3 000 000 $ retained)

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Corey Crawford: 3 000 000 $ (50%)
Robin Lehner: 2 500 000 $ (178.57%)
Brandon Saad: 3 000 000 $ (60%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	64 894 294 $	0 $	8 010 000 $	16 605 706 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kubalik, Dominik 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Toews, Jonathan 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4	Kane, Patrick 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 4
DeBrincat, Alex 778 333 $778 333 $ (32 500 $$32K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Strome, Dylan 863 333 $863 333 $ (2 475 000 $$2M) C UFA - 1	Shaw, Andrew 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3
Nylander, Alexander 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, AG RFA - 2	Dach, Kirby 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C, AD RFA - 3	Caggiula, Drake 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Smith, Zack 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ AG, C M-NTC UFA - 2	Carpenter, Ryan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, C UFA - 3	Johnson, Reese 880 833 $880 833 $ (132 500 $$132K) AD, C RFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Keith, Duncan 5 538 462 $5 538 462 $ DG NMC UFA - 4	Murphy, Connor 3 850 000 $3 850 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Mrázek, Petr 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ G UFA - 2
De Haan, Calvin 4 550 000 $4 550 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Seabrook, Brent 6 875 000 $6 875 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Lankinen, Kevin 925 000 $925 000 $ (212 500 $$212K) G UFA - 1
	Boqvist, Adam 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 3
Gilbert, Dennis 925 000 $925 000 $ DG UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Koekkoek, Slater 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Highmore, Matthew 775 833 $775 833 $ (107 500 $$108K) AG, AD UFA - 1

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 37

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That avs trade is terrible. Avs block the hawks number with that offer. A 35 year old pending ufa goalie and an ahl depth forward for a top prospect, yikes

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 41

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As a Hawks fan, I can tell you that COL is giving up too much for a rental and (arguably) a career AHL player.

I'd rather keep Kampf than acquire bellows. To me that boils down to positional preference, Kampf has actually done it in the NHL, and Kampf's high end motor is great for a bottom pair center.

Florida is probably having at least some kind of buyers remorse at this point. They'll likely need to keep Knight for their future. I don't see them doing that trade...or really it being of value.

Vegas could be a dark horse for Gus. They should be going for it and they don't have too many options due to their cap hit. I like that trade.

I'm not a huge fan of taking Mrazek back, but if CAR makes us...ok i guess. I would however want a conditional pick going to the Hawks if Lehner extends there. Seems like that's becoming fairly standard in TDL trades these days.

I like your WPG trade. WPG needs defense. He's young, under contract for 2 more years, already won 2 cups. I could see WPG giving slightly more than this. Keep in mind 7th Dmen like Brandon Davidson received 3rd rounders at the TDL in the past. Maybe a 2nd or prospect?

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 46

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I think I'd consider your 1st rounder (lottery unprotected) for Kravtsov. That's about it...

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 47

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Quoting: exo2769

Thanks for not ****ting on me like is common around here. Lol

I would agree COL and FLA trades are likely not valued correctly and I doubt either team gives up their prospects that easily. Plus the Saad trade puts FLA over cap by $3M. I also agree I love Kampf and wouldn’t want to see him go. So maybe that’s an unnecessary trade. I didn’t do conditional pick for Lehner because I already took their 1st but I see your point. Also I felt we had to take either Mrazek or Reimer in this deal to get a goalie back because Lankinen and Delia are backups at best at the moment. Plus CAR doesn’t need 3 goalies.

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10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 47

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The Rangers might consider it if you threw in DeBrincat...

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 48

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Quoting: Sagecoll

I think I'd consider your 1st rounder (lottery unprotected) for Kravtsov. That's about it...

Whoa! For a guy struggling in the KHL and demoted to the VHL? He’s not worth it. Have fun with that project.

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 49

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Quoting: aspina25

The Rangers might consider it if you threw in DeBrincat...

? for a guy in the Russian minors you want a 40 goals scorer. Sure. Where do I sign?

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 50

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Quoting: coga16

That avs trade is terrible. Avs block the hawks number with that offer. A 35 year old pending ufa goalie and an ahl depth forward for a top prospect, yikes

I agree looking back at it is def not a good trade. My bad. I completely overshot.

Taking Newhook out of it, do you think COL needs guys like Sikura and Crow?

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 51

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? for a guy in the Russian minors you want a 40 goals scorer. Sure. Where do I sign?

A guy being blackballed by his KHL team for planning to go to America =/= "a project"
3 months ago he was largely regarded as the third best forward prospect in the NHL behind Kakko and Hughes

10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 53

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Quoting: Jco5ta5

I agree looking back at it is def not a good trade. My bad. I completely overshot.

Taking Newhook out of it, do you think COL needs guys like Sikura and Crow?

Nope not at all, they have a good goalie tandem In grubi abs francouz and have that level depth in the ahl already, like Logan O’Connor, so they don’t add much in depth,

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10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 54

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Let me just trim the fat here...

*Revs chainsaw*

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10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 59

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Isles say no. We can get more for Bellows, even with his value being pretty low right now.

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10 déc. 2019 à 14 h 59

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Quoting: aspina25

A guy being blackballed by his KHL team for planning to go to America =/= "a project"
3 months ago he was largely regarded as the third best forward prospect in the NHL behind Kakko and Hughes

3 months ago he was highly regarded. Seems like he’s not anymore to me.

10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 1

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Quoting: Barbs

Let me just trim the fat here...

*Revs chainsaw*

LOL. But I barely touched the main roster except the goalies and Saad. And Hawks can get Crawford back in FA.

10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 9

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Quoting: aspina25

A guy being blackballed by his KHL team for planning to go to America =/= "a project"
3 months ago he was largely regarded as the third best forward prospect in the NHL behind Kakko and Hughes

This is an interesting comment to me. I'm not suggesting Kravstov is a bust. Additionally, I also think NYR is patient and will allow him to develop AND are one of the NHL teams more likely to sign him than say a Calgary. Heck Panarin chose NYR for the money, but also the large Russian population there. That stuff is all good and stands alone.

Do you think teams should be more warry of Russian prospects because of EXACTLY what you're saying? I don't think this is isolated at all. Alexander Romonav is the 7th Dman getting something like 13 minutes a game. Podkolzin and Kracstov are in the VHL. Denisenko is doing pretty good which means a lot because it's the KHL, but that seems more like the exception than the rule. Not playing meaningful hockey is a huge set back. Even if it just means that other players are developing faster than you. Why aren't more Russian players going the Svechnikov route...through the CHL?

10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 11

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I think these are all very lopsided in the hawks favour

10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 43

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Quoting: exo2769

I think Svech doing what he did greatly helped him, but it's definitely not a route for everybody. It's a huge culture shock moving halfway across the world and despite it working out well for him, CHL teams don't necessarily have the networking to smooth that transition like the players would get from a NHL organization.

It can also be an interesting exercise to view it from a KHL point of view. They're obviously trying to win within their league too, so I can imagine it's pretty disheartening when you get an exciting young player and know he plans on leaving your team prior to him hitting his prime.

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10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 46

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Quoting: aspina25

Great thoughts. and I agree 100%. Maybe teams ARE already factoring in this risk to a certain extent. Again to your point. Kravstov's talent was right up there with the best AND Podkolzin fell to #10 despite some people saying he would have been the 3rd best talent ahead of Dach even.

10 déc. 2019 à 15 h 49

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I think these are all very lopsided in the hawks favour

I mean...yes. The point is to improve your team. I did acknowledge I was way off on some of the trades.

10 déc. 2019 à 16 h 31

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did you forget to add your 2020 first rounder in the kravtsov trade?!

10 déc. 2019 à 17 h 14

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Quoting: gregory_papas

did you forget to add your 2020 first rounder in the kravtsov trade?!

I considered it. But thinking Kravtsov is a first rounder himself giving NYR a first and a player who is more NHL ready was enough. Again I’m viewing Kravtsov as someone who was overhyped and not nhl ready and having a ceiling lower than expected.

10 déc. 2019 à 20 h 42

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Quoting: Jco5ta5

Whoa! For a guy struggling in the KHL and demoted to the VHL? He’s not worth it. Have fun with that project.

lol will do!

10 déc. 2019 à 21 h 16

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Quoting: Jco5ta5

I mean...yes. The point is to improve your team. I did acknowledge I was way off on some of the trades.

you can improve your team without robbing other teams in trades

10 déc. 2019 à 21 h 41

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Quoting: moli92

you can improve your team without robbing other teams in trades

I put explanations in the description. I didn’t just guess. Multiple times I admitted I didn’t do fair trades. My bad. Just spitballing here.

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