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I Come In Peace

Créé par: ForsbergForVezina
Date de création initiale: déc 9, 2019
Publié: Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Explications
I love the Islanders and our players, but they aren't the most gifted offensively.

That said, they skated circles around Tampa tonight.

Tampa fans, what's going on? I'm genuinely interested in why this team has fallen so hard this year. Don't get me wrong, no one should sleep on these guys, but this is not the same juggernaut from last year. I'd love some insight
Rachats de contrats
  • Matthew Carle: 1 833 333 $
  • Vincent Lecavalier: 0 $
Enfoui
  • Mike Condon: 1 325 000 $ (2 400 000 $)
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2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
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2481 500 000 $80 531 664 $0 $1 362 500 $968 336 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
5 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
8 500 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
9 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 8
TBL
Killorn, Alex
4 450 000 $
AG
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Point, Brayden
6 750 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
5 300 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
1 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
5 166 666 $
AD, AG, C
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
728 333 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TBL
Stephens, Mitchell
833 333 $
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Conacher, Cory
700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
728 333 $
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
700 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TBL
Hedman, Victor
7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
1 750 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
3 500 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Rutta, Jan
1 300 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
1 700 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Schenn, Luke
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
894 166 $
DG
RFA - 1
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Cernak, Erik
697 500 $
DD
RFA - 1

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9 déc 2019 à 21 h 33
#1
#DisruptTheNight
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McElhinney is **** and our players are pussies
9 déc 2019 à 21 h 33
#2
Démarrer sujet
Hawks and Isles Fan
Rejoint: mai 2018
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Quoting: Hedman77
McElhinney is **** and our players are pussies


Interesting
9 déc 2019 à 21 h 34
#3
Lets go bolts!
Rejoint: fév 2017
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Too much rage to be specific just one word. . . Inconsistent
9 déc 2019 à 21 h 37
#4
Zach
Rejoint: mai 2017
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I believe it is all in the head. It is extremely difficult to come back from that postseason performance. They were a top 5 team in the cap era and got swept in the first round, how do you look at your teammates after going through that embarrassment?
We_Want_The_Cup a aimé ceci.
9 déc 2019 à 21 h 58
#5
BOLT LOVER
Rejoint: déc 2018
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Modifié 9 déc 2019 à 22 h 18
JOHN COOPER .. IT A JOKE HE STILL A COACH .. basically he a loser and hasnt won anything with Tampa .. THREE out of last FOUR years have been upset eliminations in playoffs with the 4th year a missed playoff .. basically a regular season girlie girl with no fire or fear .. he a minor league coach at heart. Until we get a new coach and GM are put in place .. Tampa is an easy playoff out and choker with no balls or account ability
10 déc 2019 à 5 h 01
#6
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Rejoint: nov 2018
Messages: 442
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Modifié 10 déc 2019 à 5 h 14
Here is some PRO SAP INSIDE LOOK ANALYSIS about Tampa Bay Lightning (just kidding, it's my own take on the "downfall")
I expected this bad hockey from before the season started(still make the playoffs easy though because of bad atlantic division), my estimation was like 40 games needed... now it's looking like we need a lot more to play good hockey...

I copy paste from another topic:

Coaching problems. Our goal since september = defensive team.(said by organization members,coaches,gm,players... ) Result = top5 worst defensive team in the NHL.
They said today before Islanders game. It will be a 1-0 type of game in pre-interviews.
Result:1-5 loss...
They said same thing before Minnesota game... results 4-5 loss...

We just can't defend, other good teams defend in the middle of the ice. We defend on the outside and we go forward(to attack on the rush before we have the puck) instead going backwards. Watch a team like Arizona then watch Tampa. The difference = night and day.
Last year we didn't try to defend at all and every team just gave up the game vs tampa after a while = 62 wins super easy,could have been 70 wins... in playoffs they didn't give up the game. Result = 0-4 sweep...

So when you have a coach who never focused on defense and tries it for the first time in his life to copy other teams. This is the result. Copycat stuff not always working....
So yeah, it's easy to say just give up instead of 20 danger chances/ night let's give up 15 only... Results sometimes: giving up 23 scoring chances... After sometime it will get better i'm sure, but until then we look like a bad team... It's a learning process, but i'm just not sure Cooper can just be a "Cooper 2.0" ever...

It's like in the NFL:
Bill Bellichick is the best coach, what he does: = focus only on defense. So if you go to him in 2014 and say, let's focus on offense from 2015... the results would be: New England not winning any superbowls anymore...

It's hard to do a 360 degree turn and expect good results... Some night he(cooper) goes back to same routines vs bad teams. Results: 9-3 win, 7-1 win... but those are meaningless games, when game is close, we just lose, because we just don't defend well enough, like 10-15 other teams can... St. Louis,Islanders,Boston,Washington,Carolina, etc...

Yeah on top of that it doesn't help when we have:
Schenn:AHL caliber defender, who gifts every 2nd game a free goal to opponent...
Rutta:Chicago wanted to get rid of him... i wonder why...
Shattenkirk:A buyout caliber defender(gets pushed around - takes big hits & goes down = not strong enough = he is all about offense = not what we need)
Cernak:down year
Serg: still leaks in his defensive game
Coburn:regressed really hard this year due to age(buyout caliber defender)

And we have forwards who just doesn't wanna skate back and block shots/disrupt the opponent = TO DEFEND. They are there sometimes, but they are not trying to give the opponent trouble = big scoring chances coming when they are on the ice. Middle ice = nobody there from tampa every once in a while = easy goals for opponents
Here is a list:
Stamkos = same like Matthews or Laine = non factor in D-zone in meaningful games
Kucherov = he never even tried to block shots,skates like a ghost 8/10 times in D-zone...
Tyler Johnson = same(size problems as well, too easy to ignore him for opponents= not what we need in our "new defensive" LUL system)
Gourde = same


Another problem:Goalie. Vasilevsky got his big contract = instantly goes for a down year = bad sv% and bad GAA stats... like 0.900 SV% and 3.0 goals/game allowed = 2 million $ caphit goalie stats...


There is also the penalties allowed/game issue which just unacceptable... Our goal is to take less penalties this year. Result = we take crazy amount of penalties...
We lost some players(Stralman,JT Miller) who were good defensively... Or good chemistry Girardi...

So the question is how we teach Kucherov or Stamkos to be Anthony Cirelli or Patrice Bergeron or Mark Stone... I think it's really hard once you past age of 24... but not impossible...

In a Nutshell most tampa players gifted offensively, but they are not gifted defensively with talent = you need to learn to defend. Until they don't learn it what to do when Matthew Barzal has the puck... they will just allow too many danger shooots = top 10 most goals allowed/game...

So if there are 20 players who need to focus on defense when opponent has the puck and only 10 really trying the results will be bad.

TLDR:We need time!!! or new players/ new coaches to fix our internal system, which is imprinted in every players brain = full attack mode / zero defensive responsiblity. You need balance to win cups and we don't have that... right now... but it can change... but it's probably not in 2019/2020 season...cry
jasalex a aimé ceci.
10 déc 2019 à 8 h 40
#7
GO BOLTS
Rejoint: jun 2018
Messages: 891
Mentions "j'aime": 231
Quoting: F3ruS
Here is some PRO SAP INSIDE LOOK ANALYSIS about Tampa Bay Lightning (just kidding, it's my own take on the "downfall")
I expected this bad hockey from before the season started(still make the playoffs easy though because of bad atlantic division), my estimation was like 40 games needed... now it's looking like we need a lot more to play good hockey...

I copy paste from another topic:

Coaching problems. Our goal since september = defensive team.(said by organization members,coaches,gm,players... ) Result = top5 worst defensive team in the NHL.
They said today before Islanders game. It will be a 1-0 type of game in pre-interviews.
Result:1-5 loss...
They said same thing before Minnesota game... results 4-5 loss...

We just can't defend, other good teams defend in the middle of the ice. We defend on the outside and we go forward(to attack on the rush before we have the puck) instead going backwards. Watch a team like Arizona then watch Tampa. The difference = night and day.
Last year we didn't try to defend at all and every team just gave up the game vs tampa after a while = 62 wins super easy,could have been 70 wins... in playoffs they didn't give up the game. Result = 0-4 sweep...

So when you have a coach who never focused on defense and tries it for the first time in his life to copy other teams. This is the result. Copycat stuff not always working....
So yeah, it's easy to say just give up instead of 20 danger chances/ night let's give up 15 only... Results sometimes: giving up 23 scoring chances... After sometime it will get better i'm sure, but until then we look like a bad team... It's a learning process, but i'm just not sure Cooper can just be a "Cooper 2.0" ever...

It's like in the NFL:
Bill Bellichick is the best coach, what he does: = focus only on defense. So if you go to him in 2014 and say, let's focus on offense from 2015... the results would be: New England not winning any superbowls anymore...

It's hard to do a 360 degree turn and expect good results... Some night he(cooper) goes back to same routines vs bad teams. Results: 9-3 win, 7-1 win... but those are meaningless games, when game is close, we just lose, because we just don't defend well enough, like 10-15 other teams can... St. Louis,Islanders,Boston,Washington,Carolina, etc...

Yeah on top of that it doesn't help when we have:
Schenn:AHL caliber defender, who gifts every 2nd game a free goal to opponent...
Rutta:Chicago wanted to get rid of him... i wonder why...
Shattenkirk:A buyout caliber defender(gets pushed around - takes big hits & goes down = not strong enough = he is all about offense = not what we need)
Cernak:down year
Serg: still leaks in his defensive game
Coburn:regressed really hard this year due to age(buyout caliber defender)

And we have forwards who just doesn't wanna skate back and block shots/disrupt the opponent = TO DEFEND. They are there sometimes, but they are not trying to give the opponent trouble = big scoring chances coming when they are on the ice. Middle ice = nobody there from tampa every once in a while = easy goals for opponents
Here is a list:
Stamkos = same like Matthews or Laine = non factor in D-zone in meaningful games
Kucherov = he never even tried to block shots,skates like a ghost 8/10 times in D-zone...
Tyler Johnson = same(size problems as well, too easy to ignore him for opponents= not what we need in our "new defensive" LUL system)
Gourde = same


Another problem:Goalie. Vasilevsky got his big contract = instantly goes for a down year = bad sv% and bad GAA stats... like 0.900 SV% and 3.0 goals/game allowed = 2 million $ caphit goalie stats...


There is also the penalties allowed/game issue which just unacceptable... Our goal is to take less penalties this year. Result = we take crazy amount of penalties...
We lost some players(Stralman,JT Miller) who were good defensively... Or good chemistry Girardi...

So the question is how we teach Kucherov or Stamkos to be Anthony Cirelli or Patrice Bergeron or Mark Stone... I think it's really hard once you past age of 24... but not impossible...

In a Nutshell most tampa players gifted offensively, but they are not gifted defensively with talent = you need to learn to defend. Until they don't learn it what to do when Matthew Barzal has the puck... they will just allow too many danger shooots = top 10 most goals allowed/game...

So if there are 20 players who need to focus on defense when opponent has the puck and only 10 really trying the results will be bad.

TLDR:We need time!!! or new players/ new coaches to fix our internal system, which is imprinted in every players brain = full attack mode / zero defensive responsiblity. You need balance to win cups and we don't have that... right now... but it can change... but it's probably not in 2019/2020 season...cry


I don’t really like this because it is spit on. Showing going to be a tough year.
 
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