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Kotkaniemi traded to Detroit

Créé par: a1111
Date de création initiale: déc 8, 2019
Publié: Dec 8, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Explications
Gamble ! (unprotected first)
Transactions
MTL
  1. 2020 1e round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Rachats de contrats
  • Steve Mason: 1 366 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Marco Scandella: 2 000 000 $ (50%)
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: 350 000 $ (50%)
Enfoui
  • Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)
  • Dale Weise: 1 275 000 $ (2 350 000 $)
  • Keith Kinkaid: 675 000 $ (1 750 000 $)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MTL
DET
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
SJS
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2581 500 000 $79 059 641 $0 $885 000 $2 440 359 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
5 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
MTL
Domi, Max
3 150 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
3 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
2 600 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
MTL
Weal, Jordan
1 400 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
2 400 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
MTL
Thompson, Nate
1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Peca, Matthew
1 300 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Cousins, Nick
1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 1
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
763 333 $
C
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
3 500 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Kulak, Brett
1 850 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
5 500 000 $
DD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Primeau, Cayden
880 833 $
G
RFA - 3
MTL
Reilly, Mike
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
MTL
Folin, Christian
800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
MTL
Leskinen, Otto
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
MTL
Fleury, Cale
771 666 $
DD
RFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
748 333 $
DG
RFA - 1

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8 déc 2019 à 21 h 21
#1
Wild Fan
Rejoint: sep 2019
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Fat chance Detroit gives up that first round pick with how they've been.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 21
#2
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Detroit will never do this. This draft is one of the deepest in years, even a Top-6-7 pick represents a great chance at an elite player.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 21
#3
Isles777
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Montreal would do it, I don’t think Detroit would.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 25
#4
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if only san jose will get us a top ten pick, say 8th overall we could have 1st and 8th in one of the best drafts in history!
not to mention all of those 2nd rounders!
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 25
#5
Romanov Our Savior
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Neither team does it
a1111 et HabsForEver a aimé ceci.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 27
#6
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Add in Caufield, Romanov, Primeau and 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 27
#7
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Detroit is all but guaranteed a top 4 pick, all of which will likely be better than KK
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8 déc 2019 à 21 h 34
#8
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Why on earth would Montreal do this? They easily reject
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 40
#9
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pffff Detroit would easily prefer Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, or Raymond to the struggling, now concussed and out long term KK
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 41
#10
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Detroit is all but guaranteed a top 4 pick, all of which will likely be better than KK


Bold statement
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 45
#11
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Bold statement


Lol no it's not, KK has regressed and doesn't look like an elite 1C at all.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 49
#12
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Bold statement


Have you seen this years draft? Literally the top 5 players will probably start the season in the NHL unless one goes to NCAA
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 50
#13
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Quoting: Drw4209
Lol no it's not, KK has regressed and doesn't look like an elite 1C at all.


He hasn't regressed. He's still playing Elite in his own end. You people have to realize this kid is 19, meanwhile all of his draft companions are 20. He's nearly a year younger than all of them.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 51
#14
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Have you seen this years draft? Literally the top 5 players will probably start the season in the NHL unless one goes to NCAA


Only guy with a sure shot of making the NHL is Lafreniere.
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 55
#15
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Only guy with a sure shot of making the NHL is Lafreniere.


I will take that bet and you will loose. Zero chance Byfield doesnt start next year, hes better then Hughes (neglect injury ofc)
8 déc 2019 à 21 h 59
#16
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I will take that bet and you will loose. Zero chance Byfield doesnt start next year, hes better then Hughes (neglect injury ofc)


I said only sure fire guy. I imagine 2 or 3 of the top 5 will play in the NHL
8 déc 2019 à 22 h 26
#17
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Quoting: HabsForEver
I said only sure fire guy. I imagine 2 or 3 of the top 5 will play in the NHL


Well if Detroit finishes last in the league, like they probably will at this point. they get a top 4 pick no matter what. if 2-3 guys are NHL ready of those top 4 then that is 2-3 guys that are likely already better then KK who has struggled since coming up. Not saying KK doesnt have potential to be a top 6 center still. just that the ceiling for the top 5 guys in the draft is higher then his at this point in time. Thus it is a horrible gamble for DET as they aren't even trading their high draft pick for a sure fire player
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8 déc 2019 à 22 h 50
#18
Démarrer sujet
a11111
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Quoting: aedoran
Add in Caufield, Romanov, Primeau and 2020 1st round pick (MTL)


Ok . A sandwich also ?
9 déc 2019 à 0 h 16
#19
Elite
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Quoting: Drw4209
pffff Detroit would easily prefer Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, or Raymond to the struggling, now concussed and out long term KK


KK will find his grove, kid is just 19. Gotta be patient.

On another note though, that would be my exact top 4 in that order.

Lafrenière
Byfield
Stützle
Raymond
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9 déc 2019 à 6 h 48
#20
Billy739
Rejoint: déc 2017
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i love watching people who dont know any better repeat '' the draft is the deepest its been in 5 years ''

The draft gets consistently deeper every single season since 2015 and anyone who says otherwise is completely blind to the impact NCAA has had on the draft in that time with more 1st and 2nd round players taken in bulk then ever seen in NCAA history . Because of NCAA players ability to declare themselves UFA after College many teams avoided wasting a higher pick on said players as a rule but in today's NHL that culture's changed.

Those who watch hockey understand Cause vs Effect and see the Context in which it Apply's
Those who watch Sports Highlights and Glimpse at the occasional game just parrot whatever a nobody analyst on TSN says regardless of Context .
9 déc 2019 à 6 h 53
#21
Billy739
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Quoting: FiveForFighting
KK will find his grove, kid is just 19. Gotta be patient.

On another note though, that would be my exact top 4 in that order.

Lafrenière
Byfield
Stützle
Raymond


looks like the 2014 draft
a lot of hype but only a handful of first rounders every met their full potential in their first 1-2 years with the bulk of them needing 5 years and counting for their breakout season to come .

Lefreneiere like Hughes is Awesome but he's no Crosby or Mcdavid .
he's just been in a prospect pool for so long where he's a country mile ahead of the competition that he looks like a man playing among children . That will be tested when jumping to the NHL as seen with Hughes if you dont face real challenge's in opposition for a long while it can be a culture shock at the National level
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9 déc 2019 à 7 h 34
#22
Go Wings Go
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laugh laugh In your dreams, No way is KK potentially worth Alexis Lafreneire or Quinton Byfield.
9 déc 2019 à 7 h 39
#23
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Bold statement


It's not a bold statement, But based on pure fact, Lafreneire, Byfield, Stutzle and Raymond all top 4 are remarkably better then KK.
9 déc 2019 à 11 h 23
#24
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Well if Detroit finishes last in the league, like they probably will at this point. they get a top 4 pick no matter what. if 2-3 guys are NHL ready of those top 4 then that is 2-3 guys that are likely already better then KK who has struggled since coming up. Not saying KK doesnt have potential to be a top 6 center still. just that the ceiling for the top 5 guys in the draft is higher then his at this point in time. Thus it is a horrible gamble for DET as they aren't even trading their high draft pick for a sure fire player


You realize the guys who are drafted will only be 3-6 months younger than KK who already has 100 NHL games. It's not KK's fault he has no offensive wingers to help him create offense. He's still playing defense up to his standards.
9 déc 2019 à 11 h 25
#25
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
It's not a bold statement, But based on pure fact, Lafreneire, Byfield, Stutzle and Raymond all top 4 are remarkably better then KK.


Based on what? No doubt most of them are better offensively, but I doubt a single one can play defense better than KK
 
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