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Créé par: SammyT_51
Date de création initiale: déc 6, 2019
Publié: 6 déc 2019 à 17 h 22
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
TOR
  1. McCann, Jared
  2. DeSmith, Casey
  3. 2020 6e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Hutchinson, Michael
  3. 2020 4e round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. Reaves, Ryan
  2. Merrill, Jon
VGK
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik
  3. 2020 4e round pick (TOR)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
CAR
COL
PIT
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $82 172 143 $0 $70 000 $-672 143 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
PIT
McCann, Jared
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
VGK
Reaves, Ryan
2 775 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
1 250 000 $
G
UFA - 3
VGK
Merrill, Jon
1 375 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
694 444 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Nylander, W.
Tavares, J.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Barrie, T.
Avantage numérique 2
Kapanen, K.
Kerfoot, A.
Moore, T.
Rielly, M.
McCann, J.
Infériorité numérique 1
Mikheyev, I.
Hyman, Z.
Muzzin, J.
Dermott, T.
Infériorité numérique 2
Engvall, P.
Kapanen, K.
Merrill, J.
Holl, J.

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6 déc 2019 à 17 h 27
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McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade
6 déc 2019 à 17 h 38
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

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6 déc 2019 à 17 h 57
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Quoting: Random2152
Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

@SammyT_51
Please read the above


How are they robbing the leafs blind when McCann is out producing Johnsson? They’re both solid young players
6 déc 2019 à 17 h 57
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
How are they robbing the leafs blind when McCann is out producing Johnsson? They’re both solid young players


Play > points
6 déc 2019 à 17 h 59
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Quoting: Random2152
Play > points


Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 07
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s


Have to agree here, yes Johnsson May or may not be the better player, I would say they are close to value in trade but don’t the pens have enough players on ir?
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 10
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Have to agree here, yes Johnsson May or may not be the better player, I would say they are close to value in trade but don’t the pens have enough players on ir?


Yeah they have similar value and both solid young players. IDK who Johnsson plays with majority of his ice time, but Mccann is producing without Crosby and Malkin, and that goes a long way. And yeah, the IR has been nothing but rotating players on and off since the preseason. They've only played 2 full healthy periods this season
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 13
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


Quoting: Random2152
Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

@SammyT_51
Please read the above


Johnsson is a really good player in my opinion, he’s fast, tenacious and really effective on the forecheck. I know his advanced stats and analytics say he’s better, but McCann is the more skilled and talented player. He’s on pace for 30 goals and 60 points this season plus he’s played most of the season on a line with Kahun and Tanev. Johnsson’s got to play with Nylander and Matthews all year, so it’s definitely helped his stats. McCann has great hands, great stick handling, great puck protection and a good shot. He plays well defensively and is used in all situations. We are starting to see why McCann was a first round pick. The Penguins will do everything in their power to keep him. The Crosby-Malkin-McCann Center duo could become the best in the league.
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 14
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yeah they have similar value and both solid young players. IDK who Johnsson plays with majority of his ice time, but Mccann is producing without Crosby and Malkin, and that goes a long way. And yeah, the IR has been nothing but rotating players on and off since the preseason. They've only played 2 full healthy periods this season


Johnsson does play mainly with Matthews but certainly generates his own offence. He produces at the same rate no matter who he plays with.

I don’t see anything to lure the pens into this trade.
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 17
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Johnsson does play mainly with Matthews but certainly generates his own offence. He produces at the same rate no matter who he plays with.

I don’t see anything to lure the pens into this trade.


Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 17
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Ok leafs fan. You’re really living up to the stereotype of leafs fans thinking their players are the better than everyone else’s


I know. Those damn Leafs fans thinking their top 6 winger is better than a middle 6 winger.
The irony is ****ing great, Pens fan.
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 17
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit


Think the leafs would take this trade, Pens say no.
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 18
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Quoting: Random2152
I know. Those damn Leafs fans thinking their top 6 winger is better than a middle 6 winger.


Yup. That leaf top 6 winger playing with an elite center getting out produced by a middle 6 center* is so much better
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 19
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yup. That leaf top 6 winger playing with an elite center getting out produced by a middle 6 center* is so much better


play > points.
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 19
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yeah I think both teams say no. Its just swapping 2 good young wingers and the leafs adding a backup goalie that has a decent cap hit


Doesn't McCann play center?
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 20
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Quoting: Random2152
play > points.


Ok then so how is McCann playing lately?
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 21
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Doesn't McCann play center?


Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 24
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back


How's he doing playing C? He looked really good in the few Pens games I've watched this season but don't know if he was playing C or wing.

As for this trade I wouldn't do it if I was Rutherford, McCann is far more valuable then Johnsson imo.
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 26
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Ok then so how is McCann playing lately?


Well, but mango has been better. I don't think McCann sucks if that is what you are insinuating
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 28
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Quoting: Random2152
Well, but mango has been better. I don't think McCann sucks if that is what you are insinuating


No, im asking you to explain. You say Johnsson is better, but not backing up what hes better at. Hes playing with superstar centers and hes getting out produced by McCann who is carrying his own line without malkin and crosby
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 30
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With that draft card, I can just see Dubas standing up in the middle of the last round and yelling, "Is there anyone here who hasn't been drafted yet?"
6 déc 2019 à 18 h 48
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Right now, yes. Im not too sure whats going to happen when crosby and bjugstad comes back


Quoting: MisstheWhalers
How's he doing playing C? He looked really good in the few Pens games I've watched this season but don't know if he was playing C or wing.

As for this trade I wouldn't do it if I was Rutherford, McCann is far more valuable then Johnsson imo.


Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
McCann has been amazing for the pens. I highly doubt they trade him unless it’s an upgrade


Quoting: Random2152
Im telling you right now, you'd be robbing the Leafs blind in that trade. Mango is really, really good.

@SammyT_51
Please read the above


Honestly I think McCann is the best center the Penguins have had (besides Sid and Geno of course) since Jordan Staal.
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6 déc 2019 à 18 h 56
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
No, im asking you to explain. You say Johnsson is better, but not backing up what hes better at. Hes playing with superstar centers and hes getting out produced by McCann who is carrying his own line without malkin and crosby


Are you sure you're actually interested in the answer, because many reject it.
6 déc 2019 à 19 h 00
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Quoting: Random2152
Are you sure you're actually interested in the answer, because many reject it.


Yes I am. Because you called Mccann a middle 6 winger, which isn't even his position, and Johnnson a top 6 winger.
6 déc 2019 à 19 h 18
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yes I am. Because you called Mccann a middle 6 winger, which isn't even his position, and Johnnson a top 6 winger.


Well to start there is the easiest one. McCann is shooting nearly twice his career average. Shooting % is extremely volatile and can change on a dime. It also inflates stats and has little relation to the actual play of a player. To give context on what a good shooting % looks like (and why McCann's is unsustainable), here is one of the best goal scorers of the last decade (stats from here):
McCann: 17.3% (Career 9.5%)
Johnsson: 9.1% (Career 13%)
Stammer: 10% (Career 16.7%)

Here is the twins RAPM model (3 year sample):
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Twins RAPM model (1 year sample):
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Here are the microstats for them. These are tracked manually by one person, hence the sample sizes being lower. First one is the 3 year, next is the one year.
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So what do these all show? McCann is not good on the PP in as many minutes and Mango is, McCann actually being below average.
The one year RAPM shows McCann is better defensively, but not good at driving play offensively (your claim he drives a line is factually incorrect). The one thing McCann is getting offensively is results (see the above shooting %), more so than Mango and at an extremely high rate in general (nearly 3 standard deviations from average).
Going on career numbers Mango is better at everything other than limiting xGA where McCann is only above average in that category.

The Microstats show things like transition and such. McCann is better at some things, but Mango has been better at nearly everything this year (hence my play > points post) and has generally been better over his career.

McCann is s good 3rd line winger, Johnsson is a good 2nd line winger. I like them both but Toronto would be getting killed in this trade proposed here.
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