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If they become sellers

Créé par: PJosephM13
Date de création initiale: déc 5, 2019
Publié: 5 déc 2019 à 18 h 01
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
TOR
  1. 2021 2e round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Ceci, Cody (2 250 000 $ retained)
  2. 2020 7e round pick (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
He is not that good of a player, he is capable of playing big minutes and he’s right handed which is apparently very important. At $2.25 he is actually pretty valuable
TOR
  1. Vesalainen, Kristian
  2. Niku, Sami
  3. 2020 1e round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Spezza, Jason
  2. Barrie, Tyson (1 250 000 $ retained)
  3. 2020 6e round pick (COL)
Détails additionnels:
Spezza is a utility player who has 11points in 19games
Barrie at 1.5mil is irresistible
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Cody Ceci: 2 250 000 $ (50%)
  • Tyson Barrie: 1 250 000 $ (45,45%)
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
WPG
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
EDM
STL
SJS
2021
TOR
TOR
PIT
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2481 500 000 $82 998 810 $0 $470 000 $-1 498 810 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
675 000 $
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 2
WPG
Vesalainen, Kristian
894 167 $
AG, AD
RFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
694 444 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2

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5 déc 2019 à 18 h 02
#1
Canucks for Canada
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Any team could overpay for a Tyson Barrie at $1.5 mil
blowing_the_zone a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 04
#2
Bcarlo25
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I don’t care how much you retain for ceci, he isn’t getting you a second rounder.
Swagmaster, OldNYIfan et Dan10900 a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 12
#3
First NY Then LA
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I'm a Toronto follower if not fan, and a third of a season of Tyson Barrie isn't worth 5 seasons of Kristian Vesalainen, 3 seasons of Sami Niku and a first-round pick, even at $1.25MM.
Jamiepo et toque a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 12
#4
Marner Stan Account
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I don’t care how much you retain for ceci, he isn’t getting you a second rounder.


Plus the Penguins have no need for him. They already have Marino, Letang and Schultz who are far better than him. Even Johnson has been superior to Ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 12
#5
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I don’t care how much you retain for ceci, he isn’t getting you a second rounder.


Because reasons...
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 13
#6
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm a Toronto follower if not fan, and a third of a season of Tyson Barrie isn't worth 5 seasons of Kristian Vesalainen, 3 seasons of Sami Niku and a first-round pick, even at $1.25MM.


Yeah that’s way too much.
OldNYIfan, toque, Dan10900 and 1 other person a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 13
#7
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I don’t care how much you retain for ceci, he isn’t getting you a second rounder.


Maybe he meant "He's not that bad a player . . ."
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 13
#8
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm a Toronto follower if not fan, and a third of a season of Tyson Barrie isn't worth 5 seasons of Kristian Vesalainen, 3 seasons of Sami Niku and a first-round pick, even at $1.25MM.


Quoting: OldNYIfan
I'm a Toronto follower if not fan, and a third of a season of Tyson Barrie isn't worth 5 seasons of Kristian Vesalainen, 3 seasons of Sami Niku and a first-round pick, even at $1.25MM.


I would be happy with Niku and a pick. Hopefully a 1st.
OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 26
#9
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Way too big of package returned for Barrie/Spezza. Ceci trade might be a fair return. Too bad so many CapFriendly don't actually watch some NHL games. It could certainly be argued Ceci has been superior to Barrie, but somehow so many folks decided in July that Ceci was just a bad Dman and Barrie was actually a good one.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 40
#10
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Because reasons...


Does it really need to be spelled out for you? Because he’s not good enough at hockey. Want backes for a 2nd rounder? Didn’t think so.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 42
#11
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Ceci gets a bad rap 1. Because he's a leaf so he's already blasted on cap friendly. 2. The 4.5 is high for what he brings. except at the deadline it's half and teams have always paid well for D depth going into the playoffs, if Leafs are sellers they have 3 d man that will bring a more than decent return
OldNYIfan a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 52
#12
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No one is giving you a 2nd for Ceci. This is pure fantasy.
5 déc 2019 à 18 h 54
#13
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Nothing wrong with becoming sellers if that's what the situation warrants. There's no point in pretending that this season should be something it isn't just cause the bookies picked the leafs as a a top 5 team at the beginning of the season. It is what it is right now, with time to turn it around if they get it together in short order. If not, oh well, sell the ufas, have a look at some Marlies and restock the cupboards to move forward.

Tyson Barrie at 50% retained, a second time around, brings something good back. So does Muzzin.
5 déc 2019 à 19 h 21
#14
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I would be happy with Niku and a pick. Hopefully a 1st.


No Niku, he's basically a nonstarter in any jets trade, Vesa sure ?‍♀️
5 déc 2019 à 19 h 22
#15
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Quoting: Boomer125
Ceci gets a bad rap 1. Because he's a leaf so he's already blasted on cap friendly. 2. The 4.5 is high for what he brings. except at the deadline it's half and teams have always paid well for D depth going into the playoffs, if Leafs are sellers they have 3 d man that will bring a more than decent return


I can see him getting a return, 50% retained a slightly better one, but he isn't worth a 2020 second even at 700k for 8 years lol, he's not THAT good
5 déc 2019 à 20 h 38
#16
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Quoting: AFOX10900
I can see him getting a return, 50% retained a slightly better one, but he isn't worth a 2020 second even at 700k for 8 years lol, he's not THAT good


Never said he was worth a second just said he was worth something and there will be teams that are willing to pay whether it be a 3rd a 4th or what have you. Leafs took on Ceci to be released of Zitsev which all considered has worked out just fine for them
Dan10900 a aimé ceci.
5 déc 2019 à 22 h 43
#17
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Does it really need to be spelled out for you? Because he’s not good enough at hockey. Want backes for a 2nd rounder? Didn’t think so.


Backes can’t play, Ceci can. Also Backes makes more for longer... think you missed what happened here...
6 déc 2019 à 0 h 52
#18
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Backes can’t play, Ceci can. Also Backes makes more for longer... think you missed what happened here...


They’re both trash that are incapable of receiving a second round pick in return. You’re being absurdly obtuse.
6 déc 2019 à 1 h 34
#19
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
They’re both trash that are incapable of receiving a second round pick in return. You’re being absurdly obtuse.


Retained 50% I could see a 2nd or 3rd with a later pick going back. Would depend on the teams need. A lot of teams will be looking for depth on defence. Especially with injuries.

Just look at the two things layers you are comparing. Backes is what 35? Making 6m with another year left and has 2 points this. The other is playing top 4 minutes and is 25 and a ufa.
6 déc 2019 à 7 h 38
#20
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Retained 50% I could see a 2nd or 3rd with a later pick going back. Would depend on the teams need. A lot of teams will be looking for depth on defence. Especially with injuries.

Just look at the two things layers you are comparing. Backes is what 35? Making 6m with another year left and has 2 points this. The other is playing top 4 minutes and is 25 and a ufa.


You need to let go of the backes thing. Substitute any horrible NHL player. Horrible players don’t get a 2nd round pick back.
 
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