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Seabrook Trade

Créé par: Hellochris06
Date de création initiale: 20 nov. 2019
Publié: 20 nov. 2019
Équipe: 2019-20 Red Wings de Detroit
Explications
No reason for him to waive for Detroit of course, but was wondering what people saw as the value. Destroys any left side D depth Detroit has. Oh, and yeah, I'm losing faith in Cholowski as a 2/3. Could be top 4 but he's slow at getting there.
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Seabrook, Brent (925 000 $ retained)
  2. Dach, Kirby
CHI
  1. Cholowski, Dennis
Rachats de contrats
  • Stephen Weiss: 1 666 667 $
  • Xavier Ouellet: 216 667 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Nick Leddy: 2 750 000 $ (50%)
  • David Savard: 1 062 500 $ (25%)
  • Mike Green: 2 687 500 $ (50%)
  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
  • Patrik Nemeth: 1 500 000 $ (50%)
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $75 904 125 $145 000 $3 782 500 $5 595 875 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Bertuzzi, Tyler
1 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C
UFA - 4
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Mantha, Anthony
3 300 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Fabbri, Robby
900 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Filppula, Valtteri
3 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Athanasiou, Andreas
3 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Helm, Darren
3 850 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
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Dach, Kirby
925 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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Perlini, Brendan
874 125 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Abdelkader, Justin
4 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 4
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Nielsen, Frans
5 250 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Glendening, Luke
1 800 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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DeKeyser, Danny
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
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Hronek, Filip
714 166 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Bernier, Jonathan
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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Nemeth, Patrik
1 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Green, Mike
2 687 500 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Howard, Jimmy
4 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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McIlrath, Dylan
700 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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Seabrook, Brent
5 950 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 5
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Bowey, Madison
1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Daley, Trevor
3 166 666 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
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Ericsson, Jonathan
4 250 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
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Zetterberg, Henrik
6 083 333 $
C
UFA - 2
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Erne, Adam
1 050 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Franzen, Johan
3 954 545 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1

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20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 9
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Hes a 7th defenseman at best. This is such a bad trade for the worst contract in the league
20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 11
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Quoting: Jack_
Hes a 7th defenseman at best. This is such a bad trade for the worst contract in the league


Definitely a bad contract. But I'm trading for an 18 year old RH center who can produce at even strength in the NHL. It's like mortgaging the house to bid on a unicorn.
20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 12
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They'd probably be better off just buying Seabrook out or sending him to the AHL or whatever and just live without his extra cap space until his contract is over than losing Dach at this point.

Talent is more valuable than cap space at the end of the day.
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20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 12
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Yeah i'd pass on Seabrook, And no reason for him to waive his NMC for the worst team in the NHL.
20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 34
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Quoting: Hellochris06
Definitely a bad contract. But I'm trading for an 18 year old RH center who can produce at even strength in the NHL. It's like mortgaging the house to bid on a unicorn.


Sure but spending 6 million on a non nhl player for 5 more years is brutal. Getting dach is great but when the rookies need new contracts you will be right up at the cap. The cap is going up but 6 million is 6 million
20 nov. 2019 à 12 h 54
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Quoting: F50marco
They'd probably be better off just buying Seabrook out or sending him to the AHL or whatever and just live without his extra cap space until his contract is over than losing Dach at this point.

Talent is more valuable than cap space at the end of the day.


Sure, talent wins games, but we're talking about a forward with 10 points vs a defenseman with 6. Dach is 18 while Cholowski is 21, so Dach has a higher ceiling, absolutely, but over the next three years would you rather have Dach and Seabrook, or Cholowski and a 6Mx3year UFA? No idea who that would be, but lets hypothetically call him, "Gustafsson."

Because Seabrook's remaining compensation is mostly signing bonus and not salary, it looks like buying him out means he earns 17.7M to not play hockey the next four years, instead of 20.5M to play them. The team buying him out only saves 300k in cap hit next year, and in 22-23: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brent-seabrook/2020-06-15

So Seabrook isn't being bought out any time soon. Can Detroit offer him a more exciting role on a more exciting team than he's got in Chicago, where he's won a Cup and the team is just ahead of the Maple Leafs in the standings, today?
20 nov. 2019 à 13 h 0
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Quoting: Hellochris06
Definitely a bad contract. But I'm trading for an 18 year old RH center who can produce at even strength in the NHL. It's like mortgaging the house to bid on a unicorn.


Quoting: Jack_
Sure but spending 6 million on a non nhl player for 5 more years is brutal. Getting dach is great but when the rookies need new contracts you will be right up at the cap. The cap is going up but 6 million is 6 million


Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Yeah i'd pass on Seabrook, And no reason for him to waive his NMC for the worst team in the NHL.


Hawks decline. Dach is going to become one of the best players in the league. Why would they move him?
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20 nov. 2019 à 13 h 1
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I would hate to be one of those D*cks that tell you that (team) laughs and hangs up, but for this, I think it is necessary. This trade is so terrible for Chicago that I think you have probably personally offended every single Chicago fan. If there are Chicago fans that think this trade is even plausible, then I beg they question their sanity and re-evaluate their hockey loyalties.
20 nov. 2019 à 13 h 38
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Sure, talent wins games, but we're talking about a forward with 10 points vs a defenseman with 6. Dach is 18 while Cholowski is 21, so Dach has a higher ceiling, absolutely, but over the next three years would you rather have Dach and Seabrook, or Cholowski and a 6Mx3year UFA? No idea who that would be, but lets hypothetically call him, "Gustafsson."

Because Seabrook's remaining compensation is mostly signing bonus and not salary, it looks like buying him out means he earns 17.7M to not play hockey the next four years, instead of 20.5M to play them. The team buying him out only saves 300k in cap hit next year, and in 22-23: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brent-seabrook/2020-06-15

So Seabrook isn't being bought out any time soon. Can Detroit offer him a more exciting role on a more exciting team than he's got in Chicago, where he's won a Cup and the team is just ahead of the Maple Leafs in the standings, today?


I would take Dach and Seabrook any day of the week over Cholowski and a UFA at 6M. Go look at what 6M gets you in free agency, like straight up real free agency. Zuccarello, Myers, Stastny, Turris, Radulov, Shattenkirk, Lucic, Ericksson, etc etc etc All players who by the end of their contracts are overpaid themselves.... sure they're probably not so bad for the first couple years but Chicago isn't looking at the cup run the next couple years anyway so whats the rush?

Dach has the potential to be a top flight elite player. Cholowski not so much, good but not elite. Frankly many Wings fans are getting a bit over him to boot so its not like they are offering up their prized possession or anything.

The buyout of Seabrook would not be for cap saving, it would be for getting rid of his roster spot and letting him go on to other pastures without holding him down as a 7th dman for the rest of his contract. A mercy for a former stud of the team. That's if they felt like they needed to get him off the team. They could simply just keep him for a couple more years as a veteran leader on the team. Hope for a compliance buyout or maybe a change in the buyout terms or simply buyout him out at a later time normally. They actually get some decent savings in 21-22 and 23-24. Not perfect but not buyout proof either.

Cap space can be maneuvered, manipulated, moved around to make the salary cap work. Adding a potential top line center? How often does one of them come along, what impact to they give their teams and what are their price tags to acquire? There are so many ways to make your salary cap work in today's NHL that simply keeping the player and not losing the talent is way more advantageous.

Also keeping Seabrook leaves open the option that a miracle happens. Maybe he starts playing better, maybe he decides to retire, maybe he gets LTIR'd, maybe someone is stupid enough to trade a less headache player to them in exchange for him. All potential outcomes that help the Hawks and let them keep their potential stud player in Dach. I joke but technically all those options have happened before so its not that far-fetched.
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20 nov. 2019 à 13 h 46
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
I would hate to be one of those D*cks that tell you that (team) laughs and hangs up, but for this, I think it is necessary. This trade is so terrible for Chicago that I think you have probably personally offended every single Chicago fan. If there are Chicago fans that think this trade is even plausible, then I beg they question their sanity and re-evaluate their hockey loyalties.


People offended or outraged by hypothetical sports trades on the internet - as though they were somehow important or serious - probably need to re-evaluate their lives. That said, I was just looking to see how people valued dead-cap/bad-cap.
20 nov. 2019 à 13 h 51
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Quoting: Hellochris06
People offended or outraged by hypothetical sports trades on the internet - as though they were somehow important or serious - probably need to re-evaluate their lives. That said, I was just looking to see how people valued dead-cap/bad-cap.


Haha yeah. It's still a terrible trade though.
 
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